Stainless Steel Tanks

dimfer

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I am in the planning stage of building a 10' L x 3' H x 5' wide tank for my arowana community. I am planning to build it with dull #316 stainless steel sheet (bottom and 2 ends) and stainless steel frame with glass front and back ) since this would be used as room divider). It would be on a 24" high stainless steel stand.

I'd seen quite a bit of really good wooden/concrete big tank projects, but not a single steel project. #316 stainless steel is commonly used in food storage application and should be fish safe.

This idea was presented to me by a local pondmaker, and since I deal with a lot of metal service centers here in Canada, I know I could build this project at a decent cost. I have also contacted a journeyman to do the stainless steel welding.

My biggest concern is installing and sealing the glass panels, since glass and stainless steel have different thermal expansion coefficients ( well, wood and glass have different coefficients too and had worked for a lot of people).

My idea is simple, design the window with 2" stainless steel square tubing or angle bar, mount the glass inside using appropriate silicone material, cure properly and let the water pressure press the glass against the steel frame.

Somebody suggested to use some sort of a gasket to bridge the glass and the steel frame. BTW, the tank would be installed in my basement, enclosed and heated.

I would like to get as much input as I could from all the masters here at MFK, especially from guys who had done or seen something similar.

For the other hobbyists, please express your opinion anyway.

Thanks ...
 

Pout

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I like how you think.That is a superb idea and i think steel will give the water a shiny look.So this tank will be a little above a 1000 gallons i think 1123.68 gallons.
But if you are heating the tank wont the steel heat alot faster then the water which could lead to the silicone breaking?

Pout
 

dimfer

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Pout said:
I like how you think.That is a superb idea and i think steel will give the water a shiny look.So this tank will be a little above a 1000 gallons i think 1123.68 gallons.
But if you are heating the tank wont the steel heat alot faster then the water which could lead to the silicone breaking?

Pout
I am planning to integrate the heater with the overhead filter, not the tank itself.
 

stotty

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dimfersteel stand. I'd seen quite a bit of really good wooden/concrete big tank projects said:
Should have no problem with that as stainless steel is used in surgery but is normaly of a better quality just make sure the stainless is of a good quality and if bolting any bits to it all bolts should be of stainless as would look nasty with rust running down it other than that should look cool :grinyes:



you can also weld the seams but its not cheap you have to tig weld to get it neat and water tight have sean this on lots of motorbike bits oil tanks etc and they have been air/water/oil tight :thumbsup:
 

shekes

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Gasket leaps to my mind as well. I'd talk to a good plumber about it.
 

rallysman

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Maybe you could use urethane like they use to set car windshields in, it will allow for expansion and flexing a little. It stays sort of soft but is stronger than hell. If you've ever removed a car winsheild you know what i mean lol
 

hardb0iled

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Sounds like it could work. With the wooden tanks I've seen most of them use a thick bead of silicon as the viewing window gasket and like you say, the water pressure pushes the glass against the frame to help seal it. I'm not sure how silicon adheres to stainless though, I would think not too well?

Another thing you may need to think about is to insulate the tank, stainless is a much better conductor of heat so you may have problems with heat loss?
 

roliva

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Have you ever thought of the product "sanitred". It seems this product molecularly bonds to metal as it does wood. Very expensive but take a look:
http://www.sanitred.com/metalroof.htm

Below was my project back in May using sanitred on a 8'X3'X2' plywood tank:
For the plywood tank itself, I just followed the plans from the garf website.
As you can see from the cost below, it is well worth it for a tank this size (8X3X2, LXWXH). However, sizes smaller than 8X3, the cost of a regular glass tank starts becoming comparable to the price of this waterproofing material. I just followed the instructions for waterproofing in my previous post. I applied the material with high quality paint brushes. If I were to do it again, using a high quality roller would have saved alot of time.

When the waterproof material cured, it left an oily residue. The reps at Sanitred told me to clean it out with Tide detergent. It helped, but a tank this size still took about 4 rinses, filling it up halfway each time (to try and save water!!).
The waterproofing consisted of 4 steps as shown below.

The result is some sort of high tech rubber/polymer that seems very durable yet flexible. I placed a thin sheet of plexiglass on the bottom before I put the rocks in to be cautious. I'm sure that if I put gravel or sand in first, then rocks on top, then there should be no problems. But I have no substrate. I am pleased with the result.

Also, I have a common pleco in there since May that went from 2" to 12". There seems to be a whitish growth on the surface from time to time, that may be some type of plant life because the pleco always eats it and keeps it under control. I was watchful at first to see if the pleco would damage the waterproofing material but never had a problem with the pleco even trying to eat through this rubber (the sanitred rubber is supposed to taste very bad) or no penetration that I can see at the present time. I am also raising 6 juvenile umbees (from Jeff Rapps) which happens to be my 3rd batch by the way. The first two batches turned out all females!! I'm sure everyone knows how hard it is to actually get a male

360 Gallon Project: Costs:

5 lb. Box 2.5” exterior screws : $13.99
5 lb. Box 2” exterior screws : $13.99
2 - Liquid Nails : $6.00
6 – 2X4X12 : $4.78 each (for stand)
5 – 2X4X8 : $2.49 each (for stand)
3 – 1X4X12 : $5.71 each
2 – 1X6X12 : $8.23 each
3 – 0.75” Oak Plywood : $38.66 each
2 Gallons LRB : $64.75 per gallon
2 Quarts TAV : $18.50 per quart
1-Gallon Permaflex (Black) : $70.75
1 LRB Mini-Vial : $0.80
6 Oz. Vial Permaflex Accelerator : $7.00
5 Paint brushes : $30.00
93"X 22" glass front (0.5" thick) : $184.00

So the materials cost me roughly $650-$700 (and alot of labor) compared to an 8X3X2 at glasscages for I believe was about $1100 (this size would have to be a special order).



































 
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