Silver Saum?

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James B.

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Does anyone have pics of a full grown GT(Silver Saum not gold).
I have been looking around and found wild caught silver saums (2-3inch)for sale but I can't find a good pic of an adult. I can find juvinle pics and pics of gold saum but I can't find a shot of a full grown silver saum.
Does anyone have a pic of one?
Thanks

 
Modest_Man;1166720; said:
Not quite sure what fish you mean by silver saum.

http://www.lem.net/alf/aeq.htm
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That site has the pictures for A. rivulatus and A. sp. "Silversaum" (silber/silver same sh** different language) backwards.
The fish pictured for A. rivulatus is a Silver Saum. I've only ever seen one (in person) that looked as good or better than a good gold saum.
Every single one of the fish pictured as "Silbersaum" are A. rivulatus. Somebody got thier sh** bass-ackwards. :D
 
ok now I'm relly confused I followed all the links trying to fiugure out what I getting into, but I still just see goldsaum and a lot of pics of silbersaum but some say there "true Green Terrors" and some say just "Aequidens" spec. "silbersaum"So what is what? And is silversaum just an sp. of Aequidens or the true GT? I'm lost and reading throuhgh the posts and linkes in the posts to other posts that all end in someone selling "real" green terrors don't seem to help I read one thing then somthing that says the total opposite. Can someone break this down in idiot terms as to what is what? Am I right the "true" GT is a diffrent fish then the Saums and the only real diffrence between the 2 samus is colour strain? Also the real gt's that were for sale here, are ther any left and can you ship to Canada? I'd much rather the real thing as they don't get as big but have bigger attiude from what I've read.
 
The "true GT" is the fish introduced in the 1970's to America under the name Green Terror. It is listed as "Aequidens" spec. "silbersaum" in the link I first posted. Be aware that that page is from Europe, where they have different common names. This "true" GT is not the fish first described as A. rivulatus by Günther,1859, but people call it that, incorrectly.

The true GT is different that the gold and silver saums.

If you read the first link the author collected the silver and gold saums in different areas, and never saw them in the same location. That leads to the thought that they are different species, but possible hybridization in the hobby has lead to spawns of either throwing both color types.

I own a few of the "true" gts that Tom Lorenz was selling. He's on this forum under the handle Acesto I believe. You'd have to PM him. Shipping to Canada is possible, but it's pretty expesive, as you need permits.
 
Thanks Modest_Man, That clears things up some. As far as cost no biggie, were i live you get Cons, firemouths, JD,s and a whole lot of Africans and thats it so I will pay an arm and a leg for anything I want anyway.
 
James B.;1167320; said:
Thanks Modest_Man, That clears things up some. As far as cost no biggie, were i live you get Cons, firemouths, JD,s and a whole lot of Africans and thats it so I will pay an arm and a leg for anything I want anyway.
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toms in new orleans i beleive and that's a very long way to ship, he's sending me one of his wild males to breed with my female, and i'm in pa, after i get some fry it would probably be more possible for me to ship you fry, but i'm not sure, canadas a long ways, where exactly are you located, you could easily be to far away.
 
Modest_Man;1166860; said:
The "true GT" is the fish introduced in the 1970's to America under the name Green Terror. It is listed as "Aequidens" spec. "silbersaum" in the link I first posted. Be aware that that page is from Europe, where they have different common names. This "true" GT is not the fish first described as A. rivulatus by Günther,1859, but people call it that, incorrectly.

The true GT is different that the gold and silver saums.

If you read the first link the author collected the silver and gold saums in different areas, and never saw them in the same location. That leads to the thought that they are different species, but possible hybridization in the hobby has lead to spawns of either throwing both color types.

I own a few of the "true" gts that Tom Lorenz was selling. He's on this forum under the handle Acesto I believe. You'd have to PM him. Shipping to Canada is possible, but it's pretty expesive, as you need permits.
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Oi, I'm so confused. The fish labeled as A. "sp. silbersaum" in the first link you provided is colored just like the "true" GT's Acestro was generously distributing. According to the first link you provided they would not be rivulatus but A. "sp. silversaum" and the fish Jeff Rapps has pictured as a silversaum is a true rivulatus?
And then I only got more confused after I read the CRC threads cause it sounds like there's a 4th species involved :( . ...but then, I expected that. :nilly:
I'm not trying to get down to who's got the name of "true" or "real" GT, who was first or what goes where BTW. I'm just trying to get clear about what's a goldsaum, what's a silversaum and what's a rivulatus, what they each look like.

...I forsee a migrainy mess. :confused:

And for a moment I thought I wanted to really to find out the truth behind the mystery of the "true" Blue Acara. :duh: lol
 
Oi, I'm so confused. The fish labeled as A. "sp. silbersaum" in the first link you provided is colored just like the "true" GT's Acestro was generously distributing.
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That's because they're the same fish. Heh. So essentially, the fish J. Rapps was calling the "true" Aequidens rivulatus should have actually been called the "true" green terror, as a different fish back in 1859 was given the Aequidens rivulatus name, but the people importing the "true" green terrors in the 70's thought they had Aequidens rivulatus, when they actually had an undescribed sp. that Alf calls "Aequidens" spec. "silbersaum".

Taxonomy for the "Aequidens" family is effed and I'm no taxonomist, this is just what I've picked up since buying some of Tom's F1 "true" terrors. The whole family needs to be revised.
 
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