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I would also like to know:

Which plants, if any, would be suitable for having green terrors around?
Which substrate would be best?
Do they like playing with sand?

Thank you:).
Unfortunately with Terrors and most cichlids plants are usually not a good idea, as the plants will more than likely be uprooted at very least if not completely torn to shreds. As for the sand I personally use sand in my tanks and I've got 4 large CA/SA's and they like digging and sifting thru it. Many say it's easier to maintain than gravel, but in my experience it's just as hard to maintain as gravel. Though since the fish sift thru it they wind up kicking up alot of dirt and poop into the water column where it's more easily filtered so it stays cleaner longer. The hard part comes when you vacum(if you do) the substrate. Then it's a real pain trying to make sure you don't suck the sand up along with the dirt. Though in my opinion it's well worth the aggravation for the look and the fish and their natural instinct to root around in the substrate. As for the dithers it's gonna be nearly impossible to find something from the same area that won't grow too large for your set-up and the Green Terror to be in the 84 at the same time. The pink tail just won't work in your set-up because they naturally school and are very active and your tank won't have enough space for them to comfortably cruise especially once they get larger. You'd actually be better off sticking with Silver Dollars as common SD's and Spotted SD's get around 5 inches instead of the 10 inch Chalceus. Both are very active, but it's better to have a 5 inch very active fish than a 10 inch very active fish in your kind of tank. You can probably squeeze three in there if you really stayed on top of you water quality and made sure that most of the tank's swimming space is free of obstruction with the exception of one place for the Terror to be able to retreat to. Just keep the Terrors cave to one side and fill the background with some fake plants that can be suctioned to the back of the aquarium. This way the plants will take up virtually no room, yet still offer the SD's some place to be able to dive into if they get spooked. Also keeping the Terrors hide to one side and breaking line of sight with plants should help quell some of his aggression. As well as hopefully making him favor one side as his territory instead of him trying to rule the whole tank. It may or may not work, but it's definitely better than putting his hide dead center and then for sure he'll constantly be harassing the SD's for crossing his territory. One other thing the SD's might nip at each other when kept in a school numbering less than six, so it's upto you if you want to try the 3 SD school or not. They supposedly get along fine alone, but I've never kept them that way so I can't say for sure if that's true. I however have kept them in a school of three with no other problem than some nipping and not enough to hurt or damage each other. They just aren't as peaceful as when they're kept in larger schools. Well that's my two cents. :D
 

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kolstix, your two cents is worth every penny :)

Let's see, where do I start?

Plants, I read that when breeding they will shred them to prevent potential predators from hiding. I'm not sure though if it's still true while not breeding. Any confirmation?

~substrate plus plants below

Substrate, if I stick with gravel, do you think the plants would still be uprooted? I could put some large rocks around it, which would be useless though if they destroy/tug the plant itself. I do understand how delicate sand is as well; poop on the surface, stirring the sand once in a while to avoid gas pockets and how to clean it. What would be your $0.02 be on a sand area? I could put it somewhere in the middle or opposite the intake of the filter to help prevent the sand from going in there. If you approve, which color do you recommend(my current gravel color is natural w/ flourite)?

Fish, I do agree that I'm forcing the Chalceus in there. They do say either kept singly or in schools, I would like to have the fish and a school but I don't have the "facility" for them. I just thought, Chalceus for the top, Gold Saum for the middle and bottom(plus possible L204 Flash Pleco if I can find one, to keep them all from Peru). However, I take your two cents with great weight so I will give the SDs a second thought.

P.S. Any spare change? :D

P.P.S. My current tank is well cared for. I do vacuum the substrate wherever plants aren't close by. I do 50% water changes every week and clean my canister every other week. The bamboo shrimps and algae eaters help a lot with water quality too. My nitrates are close to none and so is my ammonia. The pH is around 7.0 I believe(with the help of some peat and CO2).

P.P.P.S. I just ordered an FX5 for the upcoming stock :)
 

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kolstix, your two cents is worth every penny :)

Let's see, where do I start?

Plants, I read that when breeding they will shred them to prevent potential predators from hiding. I'm not sure though if it's still true while not breeding. Any confirmation?

~substrate plus plants below

Substrate, if I stick with gravel, do you think the plants would still be uprooted? I could put some large rocks around it, which would be useless though if they destroy/tug the plant itself. I do understand how delicate sand is as well; poop on the surface, stirring the sand once in a while to avoid gas pockets and how to clean it. What would be your $0.02 be on a sand area? I could put it somewhere in the middle or opposite the intake of the filter to help prevent the sand from going in there. If you approve, which color do you recommend(my current gravel color is natural w/ flourite)?

Fish, I do agree that I'm forcing the Chalceus in there. They do say either kept singly or in schools, I would like to have the fish and a school but I don't have the "facility" for them. I just thought, Chalceus for the top, Gold Saum for the middle and bottom(plus possible L204 Flash Pleco if I can find one, to keep them all from Peru). However, I take your two cents with great weight so I will give the SDs a second thought.

P.S. Any spare change? :D
Lol! In my experience, it doesn't really matter whether they're breeding or not. They will often pull on them and if not their constant digging will uproot the plants. Also it doesn't seem to matter whether I used sand or gravel they always dig around the substrate. Though in my experience they do it even more so in sand and it's less likely to damage their mouths. The rock thing might work, but I myself have tried that route with little success that's why I started using the plants that suction to the back of the aquarium and in my opinion they look better and more natural than many of the ones I see that go in the substrate. Also just checking you are talking about fake plants, right? I'm assuming, because from what I heard keeping live plants in a tank is a serious mission in itself. As far as sand I like white and that's what I use though if your going for a more natural look, many would suggest pool filter sand because of the size of the grain and it's more natuarl beige look. In my opinion the more contrast in the tank the more contrast in the fish and the more stunning the colors. The Pleco sounds fine I personally like Syno's for cichlid tanks though. I'm glad I could help, bro and I can't wait to see what you go with. Green Terrors as everyone has said are stunning especially older individuals. With the right water conditions and dominance they develop a nice nuchal hump, and one that isn't obscenely large. Good luck with it bro!

Here's a pic of one of my tanks with white sand by the way, so you can see what white sand looks like.
 

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That tank looks amazingly simple(but actually hard to pull off)! Great looking fish as well, awesome variety!!

I added some last minute touches to my last post, just in case you missed it.

Here's a picture of mine, the water marks were from feeding time- the roselines like to make a splash(I will clean/trim it tomorrow :D):
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They may be different fish, but they all seem to school together!

I could put the Gold Saum's home at the left, the sand area in the middle and maybe plants over at the right. If there won't be plants then the sand area would go to most of the left side, while the den would be at the right.

I was talking about live plants actually, but it's nice to know about the suction types. Rooted plants have very hard to uproot because it's stuck to all that gravel, so my concern was more about the plant getting obliterated.

Now I just have to plan the contrasting carefully to get that sweeeeet look yours has!

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P.P.S.[/B] My current tank is well cared for. I do vacuum the substrate wherever plants aren't close by. I do 50% water changes every week and clean my canister every other week. The bamboo shrimps and algae eaters help a lot with water quality too. My nitrates are close to none and so is my ammonia. The pH is around 7.0 I believe(with the help of some peat and CO2).

P.P.P.S. I just ordered an FX5 for the upcoming stock :)
Lol! On the P.P.S.'s just saw them now as you must have been editing as I was replying. I figured you took good care of your tanks I was mostly just saying about good maintenance to cover all my bases. I personally am Uber anal when it comes to tank maintenance. I change water twice a week unless it's a grow out tank then it's every 2 days. I know I know overkill. Lol! What can I say I'm anal like that. Also I'm not sure, but those shrimps will probably be eaten if you plan on adding them to the Terror's tank. The FX5 from what I heard is a pretty kick ass filter especially on such a small tank. I personally have a problem with Fluval though. I had a 405 chugging along for 5 years and then it failed. I was pretty happy with the performance until I bought a replacement 405. Since then I went thru several part changes and 3 brand new 405's and the impeller kept falling. I thought it was the sand so I removed all substrate from the tank still the impellers failed. So finally I just threw the 405 under my tank never to be used. It nearly cost me my stock several times. I'd wake up in the morning to the filter not pumpimg and all the fish gasping at the surface. Since then I changed my tactics. Now all my tanks have 2 filters on them, in case one should fail. I tried 3 different filters and am very pleased with 2 of them and satisfied with the third. The Cascade 1000 is a great filter and cheap, it extremely easy to move due to a very handy well ummm handle. Lol! It primes easier than almost any other filter I ever had has a awesome quality spray bar and has been very reliable to me. I've got 6 of them for 2 years and not a one has had a problem. I also highly recommend the Magnum 350 prosystem as a easy to use and very efficient filter. I use one on all my tanks as well as a water polisher. Now I'm not saying Fluval is a bad company, but the experience I had has spoiled them for me at least for now.
 

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Man, no wonder your fish look so good! As for your filters, I can't believe that happened. I have two Fluval 405s right now, one in my tank while the other in a different tank, but both has only been running for half a year at most, hopefully I won't run in to the same problems that you had. If something does happen though, I would go with your recommendations then; at least I'll know where to go for back up.

The whole community will be transferred to the new tank with the plants etc. The only thing that will be left in my 75g will be the gravel, unless I completely go with pool filter sand, and possible the driftwood(not sure what to do yet).

P.S. There's a new post of mine before your last one.

P.P.S. Sorry, I do edit a lot! :)
 

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That tank looks amazingly simple(but actually hard to pull off)! Great looking fish as well, awesome variety!!

I added some last minute touches to my last post, just in case you missed it.

Here's a picture of mine, the water marks were from feeding time- the roselines like to make a splash(I will clean/trim it tomorrow :D):
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They may be different fish, but they all seem to school together!

I could put the Gold Saum's home at the left, the sand area in the middle and maybe plants over at the right. If there won't be plants then the sand area would go to most of the left side, while the den would be at the right.

I was talking about live plants actually, but it's nice to know about the suction types. Rooted plants have very hard to uproot because it's stuck to all that gravel, so my concern was more about the plant getting obliterated.

Now I just have to plan the contrasting carefully to get that sweeeeet look yours has!
Thanx bro, it's actually was easy to pull off just the planning was hard. lol! I plan on actually building a DIY 3D background for my tanks in the next couple of days. I'm impressed by your planted tank as well, as I said I've heard many a experienced MFK'er state how difficult it can be to keep a live planted. Also I definitely still have to warn against plants especially live in the Terror's tank. He'll more than likely grab them and bite them tearing them apart slowly especially since it's a live plant. Plus he'll probably constantly dislodge them with his sifting. Many cichlids dig pits straight down to the glass so he'll uproot them as he's digging a pit, because he'll probably do most of his digging by them trying to create some cover for himself. Also I wouldn't mix sand and gravel as if ever you wanna go with just plain sand or gravel it'll be a heck of tedious task to either change out all the substrate or seperate the 2 substrate's. Lay down a not too thick layer of sand first, this way if you decide to do gravel later you can just dump it on top as it should basically stay layered like that due to sands fine grain. Or if your reallly feel like you want to mix the 2 use these

from Fosters and Smith Aquatics they have free shipping on orders over $49. Again bro, good luck and if you have anymore questions feel free to ask.
 

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Nice, I think I'll do all sand then(pool filter) with, maybe, a gravel area for plants if I decide to add any.

I am more concerned about getting this tank ready with the substrate in time for the Gold Saum, which is being held at a lfs, so the decorations are not a top priority right now(I do know it's as important for having other fish with the terror).

As for the Gold Saum's tankmate/s, this is second on my priority list, I'm open to any new ideas; preferably from the Amazon, doesn't need a high water temperature, and a bit aggressive as well(or fast escapee). I don't want the Gold Saum to be the first one in because it would most likely claim the whole tank.

Thank you in advance! :)

P.S. Not exactly my first choice, but opinions on a Salvini as a tankmate or a Geo?
 

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Actually I lied, I will hold off on doing my usual 50% water change until I switch to sand in order to have as much beneficial bacteria in my tank/filter as possible.

Does that make any sense?
 
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