Firehead vieja sexing

VALKYRIE88

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I been looking for a female vieja and found a guy selling some, his unsure of sexes and I'm waiting on more pics, can anyone help me from just looking at them in this pic

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They are both different species, first pic is veija melanura second pic is fenastratus.
Breeding those two would just produce worthless hybrids.
 

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I'm not breeding them, these are from a guy that's selling them, I'm only after a female, but not sure what ones are female out of the 4 larger fish
 

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I ASSUME "Firehead Vieja" means what used to be called a "Synspilum", the "Belize Synspilum", before they were lumped with Melanurum -- like the Lago Peten Melanurum.

If so, I'd say, in the first picture, below the Oscar, is a Synspilum, and I think looking at the body shape, it could very well be a female. That fish is shaped like a football.

With that being said, this is all idle speculation from a picture on the Internet. I"ve been wrong about fish in my own tank that I look at every day. Buy the fish, put it in with the Synspilum you already have, and see what happens--then you'll be sure.

If by "Firehead" you mean Fenestratus, then I think in the 2nd or 3rd pics, those are male Fenestratus--but I could be wrong.
 

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I ASSUME "Firehead Vieja" means what used to be called a "Synspilum", the "Belize Synspilum", before they were lumped with Melanurum -- like the Lago Peten Melanurum.

If so, I'd say, in the first picture, below the Oscar, is a Synspilum, and I think looking at the body shape, it could very well be a female. That fish is shaped like a football.

With that being said, this is all idle speculation from a picture on the Internet. I"ve been wrong about fish in my own tank that I look at every day. Buy the fish, put it in with the Synspilum you already have, and see what happens--then you'll be sure.

If by "Firehead" you mean Fenestratus, then I think in the 2nd or 3rd pics, those are male Fenestratus--but I could be wrong.
He has them advertised as fireheads and synspilium, I have searched all over the internet and found very little info on the sexing aspect of things,
 

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Males are said to develop blue eyes.
The dorsal fin on males will also rise at the end where it lifts more steeply than a females.
When old enough males will get a bigger blockier head that eventually grows to form a nuchal hump.
 

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I have a male and he doesn't have the blue eyes. But he does have the blockhead, rise on the dorsal fin, and his body shape is just different than the last one I had. Last one I had was shaped like a football. This one I have now is longer, much bigger head, just looks much more "manly" body shape.
 
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