red wolf tankmates

[Charney]

I have to red hifin wolves I have been growing out. both are around six inches and in their own tanks. I want to put one in a 180 central american cichlid tank and the other in a 180 with large yellow tail barracuda and some catfish. What are peoples experiences with these guys and tankmates?

I originally go three small ones and grew them out together in a 40 breeder with yellow labs. When they got some size they killed the smallest wolf and several labs much bigger then them. Since then one is in a 40 breeder on its own and the other a divided 33g. A while ago there was a green terror on the other side of the divided tank. The divider got knocked down and the wolf annihilated the GT (which was twice its size).

 

[moe214]

Looks like you have one specimen who's very territorial, but the upgrade will be quite significant. Larger more robust species of cichlids like jags can and will easily bully an erythrinus. Idk exactly what species of cichlids you have. But you definitely don't want the aggressive fish with your cudas, it'll bully them easily, where as the cichlids should hold their own if not bully him. Ime they aren't to bad. I've never had an issue with them and tankmates, they were never at the top of the totem pole, I kept them with other wolves such as hoplias namely mala and cichlids, gobies like water cow and marble goby.

So I'd put your aggressor with the cichlids if he still proves to aggressive well you have yourself the exception and may need to get a separate tank or rehome.

 

[kno4te]

Wolves and cichlids aren't a good mix in general. Also included are little red wolves.

The problem is they are already 6inches. It's hard to add tankmates at that size. But the response will be similar to the green terror with any new fish. A group of green terrors maybe fine with some hiding spots. I believe then there maybe territorial issues because of the cichlids. There's chance plants and hiding spots. Let the red wolf claim one small area and the cichlids have the rest.

Similarly in one aspect. mrrobxc added a red wolf to one of his scenic tanks. In there was a hystrix ray and other cichlids. He was able to keep a nice hiding spot in the back. The red wolf took to that area and stayed. Would come to feed with the other fish if I remember right. It was the red wolf vs the other fish and was able to work.

As far the cudas. It will likely get bullied. I've had success with mix prior. But the red wolves were small and cudas were much bigger. Other times it wasn't a good outcome especially red wolves larger than 4inches. The other issue is elongated silvery fish were always attacked by the red wolves I've had. Didn't matter the mix too much it always resulted in moving fish or beat up fish. Always able to get away with thick plants, floating plants, and hiding spots.

Good luck Charney .

 

[Charney]

Looks like you have one specimen who's very territorial, but the upgrade will be quite significant. Larger more robust species of cichlids like jags can and will easily bully an erythrinus. Idk exactly what species of cichlids you have. But you definitely don't want the aggressive fish with your cudas, it'll bully them easily, where as the cichlids should hold their own if not bully him. Ime they aren't to bad. I've never had an issue with them and tankmates, they were never at the top of the totem pole, I kept them with other wolves such as hoplias namely mala and cichlids, gobies like water cow and marble goby.

So I'd put your aggressor with the cichlids if he still proves to aggressive well you have yourself the exception and may need to get a separate tank or rehome.

Wolves and cichlids aren't a good mix in general. Also included are little red wolves.

The problem is they are already 6inches. It's hard to add tankmates at that size. But the response will be similar to the green terror with any new fish. A group of green terrors maybe fine with some hiding spots. I believe then there maybe territorial issues because of the cichlids. There's chance plants and hiding spots. Let the red wolf claim one small area and the cichlids have the rest.

Similarly in one aspect. mrrobxc added a red wolf to one of his scenic tanks. In there was a hystrix ray and other cichlids. He was able to keep a nice hiding spot in the back. The red wolf took to that area and stayed. Would come to feed with the other fish if I remember right. It was the red wolf vs the other fish and was able to work.

As far the cudas. It will likely get bullied. I've had success with mix prior. But the red wolves were small and cudas were much bigger. Other times it wasn't a good outcome especially red wolves larger than 4inches. The other issue is elongated silvery fish were always attacked by the red wolves I've had. Didn't matter the mix too much it always resulted in moving fish or beat up fish. Always able to get away with thick plants, floating plants, and hiding spots.

Good luck Charney .

Thanks for the replies. The 180 cichlid tank will be 11 xantic managuense grow outs. Ranging from 4 to 6 inches. It's an 8 ft tank. Also houses a 8 inch plus marble lancer cat.

The other wolf will go in the 180 with a school of 5 cuda all substantially bigger then him. Think my polypterus are also going into this tank.
Will give them ago and see what happpens

Also the wolf they killed was marginally smaller. Minimal difference in size FYI

 

[moe214]

Jags can hold their own if they're the same size ime, smaller however they'll get picked on unless they lay eggs. Then your ery will be in a corner. 8' is enough room for them to escape each other so I think youre good. My worry would be the lancer, I've not read to in depth on them but I Believe they can be sensitive if I'm not mistaken and not territorial. In which case it'll depend on your ery if he wants to try and pick on the cat but with 11 cichlids there should be enough to disperse aggression.

With the other guy, I've never had issues with bichirs and wolves of any species, always ignored each other, if anything the wolf piled in with the bichirs like he was one of them. And one rare instance the curu I have now, I made a thread of how he "protected" the bichirs I had with him from me. I really just worry for your cudas, they won't deal with aggression well, but if your specimen isn't to bad and they have space to run you should be fine.