Blakewater

Aimara
MFK Member
Apr 27, 2018
866
1,646
134
29
In all seriousness.. how many pbass, if say I went with smaller species like Kelberi and Intermedia, could live life comfortably in a 96x30x26? Theres enough filtration for a fully stocked tank twice its size so thats not an issue. Just want to know how many swimmy bois you guys think I could keep happy with that footprint until I inevitably upgrade in probably 2 to 4 years.
 

tcav88

Potamotrygon
MFK Member
Jan 12, 2017
1,345
2,356
164
Ohio
First things first intermedia are not a small species they get 20+” kelberi xingu and orinos are more suitable (kelberi and xingu generally stay smaller and orinos take long to grow) I always grab a lot from the jump and thin down to 5-6 of the best ones. Kelberi if wild will take 3-4 years to get 14-16” Bahia strand out of Taiwan/Indonesia will exceed that. Orinos are mean and imo second to Pinima are the meanest bass.To answer your question id get atleast 3 and no more than 6 if going with those 3 species. I’m doing something similar with orinos in a 350 96x36x24 soon. Best of luck
 

Blakewater

Aimara
MFK Member
Apr 27, 2018
866
1,646
134
29
First things first intermedia are not a small species they get 20+” kelberi xingu and orinos are more suitable (kelberi and xingu generally stay smaller and orinos take long to grow) I always grab a lot from the jump and thin down to 5-6 of the best ones. Kelberi if wild will take 3-4 years to get 14-16” Bahia strand out of Taiwan/Indonesia will exceed that. Orinos are mean and imo second to Pinima are the meanest bass.To answer your question id get atleast 3 and no more than 6 if going with those 3 species. I’m doing something similar with orinos in a 350 96x36x24 soon. Best of luck
Hm.. according to all the sites I've researched Intermedia is vastly described as the smallest of all peacock bass, often being outgrown by both kelberi and orino. Perhaps theres different subspecies with some getting larger and some smaller. I was assuming around 5 or 6 sounded like a good number though, thanks!
 
  • Like
Reactions: mrrobxc and tcav88

tcav88

Potamotrygon
MFK Member
Jan 12, 2017
1,345
2,356
164
Ohio
Hm.. according to all the sites I've researched Intermedia is vastly described as the smallest of all peacock bass, often being outgrown by both kelberi and orino. Perhaps theres different subspecies with some getting larger and some smaller. I was assuming around 5 or 6 sounded like a good number though, thanks!
No problem! Intermedia are falsely labeled by most sites to be the smallest species of bass check out lunsforj lunsforj and mrrobxc mrrobxc threads.kelberi are the smallest.
 

mrrobxc

Bronze Tier VIP
MFK Member
Nov 29, 2012
4,550
5,559
599
SE PA
No problem! Intermedia are falsely labeled by most sites to be the smallest species of bass check out lunsforj lunsforj and mrrobxc mrrobxc threads.kelberi are the smallest.
Agreed. My intermedia are relatively young having picked them up about a year and a half ago at 4-5”. They are now 18” or so and started outgrowing my Kels which are several years old. The intermedia are still growing and I expect them to top out over 20”. I’m assuming somewhere in the 22-24” range.
 

mrrobxc

Bronze Tier VIP
MFK Member
Nov 29, 2012
4,550
5,559
599
SE PA
First things first intermedia are not a small species they get 20+” kelberi xingu and orinos are more suitable (kelberi and xingu generally stay smaller and orinos take long to grow) I always grab a lot from the jump and thin down to 5-6 of the best ones. Kelberi if wild will take 3-4 years to get 14-16” Bahia strand out of Taiwan/Indonesia will exceed that. Orinos are mean and imo second to Pinima are the meanest bass.To answer your question id get atleast 3 and no more than 6 if going with those 3 species. I’m doing something similar with orinos in a 350 96x36x24 soon. Best of luck
I agree with tcav88 tcav88 . For your size tank I would get a group and grow them out, thinning down along the way to arrive at a trio or two pairs of bass in your tank. Give or take 1 or 2 if you add tankmates.
 

mrrobxc

Bronze Tier VIP
MFK Member
Nov 29, 2012
4,550
5,559
599
SE PA
Hm.. according to all the sites I've researched Intermedia is vastly described as the smallest of all peacock bass, often being outgrown by both kelberi and orino. Perhaps theres different subspecies with some getting larger and some smaller. I was assuming around 5 or 6 sounded like a good number though, thanks!
Most of the literature out there on them along with many other Colombian fish is incorrect since, up until several years back, Columbia had armed conflict and fish from there were nearly impossible to obtain. Due to that, information was scant and a lot of misinformation proliferated.

Since the government of Columbia made peace with FARC rebels, we have seen an influx of Columbian species in the trade. Zebrina, Panda Uaru, Intermedia, Caquetaia Myersi, Hero’s Liberifer, along with a multitude of other species like various apistogramma, strains of Pterophyllum, and characins.

It is now widely believed that Intermedia not only can grow to 24”, but that they are quite hardy, accepting a wide range of water parameters.
 

Blakewater

Aimara
MFK Member
Apr 27, 2018
866
1,646
134
29
Most of the literature out there on them along with many other Colombian fish is incorrect since, up until several years back, Columbia had armed conflict and fish from there were nearly impossible to obtain. Due to that, information was scant and a lot of misinformation proliferated.

Since the government of Columbia made peace with FARC rebels, we have seen an influx of Columbian species in the trade. Zebrina, Panda Uaru, Intermedia, Caquetaia Myersi, Hero’s Liberifer, along with a multitude of other species like various apistogramma, strains of Pterophyllum, and characins.

It is now widely believed that Intermedia not only can grow to 24”, but that they are quite hardy, accepting a wide range of water parameters.
Dang I need to scour the forums more, theres very little in depth info on them. Thats crazy
 

mrrobxc

Bronze Tier VIP
MFK Member
Nov 29, 2012
4,550
5,559
599
SE PA
Dang I need to scour the forums more, theres very little in depth info on them. Thats crazy
No need to scour. Just ask. We won’t tell you to, “use the search function” like so many others will say. We are all here to help.

Intermedia are pretty typical for cichla. Like all Pbass, the key is to get them onto prepared foods. If you can source ones that are pellet trained, you’re golden. I think Wes has them now in stock if I’m not mistaken. He’s a vendor here and has his own sub forum. His contact info should be there somewhere.

As with all bass, you’ll need plenty of filtration and clean water to keep them happy and healthy. I’d recommend you plumb a sump that’s at least 100 gallons. I like K1 sumps but you can also go with a simple poret foam and “Matrix” (or other standard bio media) setup. I like to pair sumps with a closed loop as well so an additional FX6 plumbed directly into the tank coupled with your sump would work well.

Keep temps at 82 F give or take and feed them daily when small and skip days when they grow. I’m not a fan of power feeding but have found that they still grow really fast. As a matter of fact, I’ve been surprised at how quickly mine grew. With mine being large, I only feed them 4 times a week on average. I hate obese fish and it isn’t good for them to be fat. Remember that they do not burn as many calories/fat in an aquarium like they would in the wild. Keep them slim by not over-feeding. Others will disagree. Up to you what you decide.

I use pellets as a staple being particularly fond of Hikari products. Mine eat Massivore, Cichlids Gold, and Carnivore Food sticks. I supplement the pellets with Freeze Dried Krill, Dried unsalted Anchovy, and frozen smelt and market shrimp. Every so often, I’ll catch a lizard and toss it in for them too. To be honest, most of the time they eat pellets.

They generally ignore other tankmates too large for them to eat and they stay in the middle of the water column, though they will rise to the top begging you for food. Good tankmates would be larger lugubris Crenicichla, larger laterally compressed Heroine cichlids like Hoplarchus , Hero’s, or Hypselecara, along with Astronotus and Caquetaia. I’d stay away from any acara types and most earth eaters as the bass can swallow them when full grown. lunsforj lunsforj had his internedia swallow his Sataniperca Lilith which is among the largest growing Satanoperca. If you insist on eartheaters, stick to Altifrons or Winemilleri and get them grown since the bass will quickly outpace them and then eat them.

Larger catfish that stay 24” and under would make great bottom mates, as would stingrays and larger plecos. Arowana also make great mates. Other suitable tankmates are Red Hook or Wide Bar silver dollars, Flagtail Prochilodus, and larger growing Leporinus species. Notice I’m recommending all SA Amazonian fish. I’m a weirdo like that. I’d avoid CA cichlids tankmates along with Andean species like Mesoheros species, or umbees. They’re simply too aggressive for the cichla to be comfortable.

Let me know if you’d like more info but this should give you a good start.
 
Last edited:

Blakewater

Aimara
MFK Member
Apr 27, 2018
866
1,646
134
29
No need to scour. Just ask. We won’t tell you to, “use the search function” like so many others will say. We are all here to help.

Intermedia are pretty typical for cichla. Like all Pbass, the key is to get them onto prepared foods. If you can source ones that are pellet trained, you’re golden. I think Wes has them now in stock if I’m not mistaken. He’s a vendor here and has his own sub forum. His contact info should be there somewhere.

As with all bass, you’ll need plenty of filtration and clean water to keep them happy and healthy. I’d recommend you plumb a sump that’s at least 100 gallons. I like K1 sumps but you can also go with a simple poret foam and “Matrix” (or other standard bio media) setup. I like to pair sumps with a closed loop as well so an additional FX6 plumbed directly into the tank coupled with your sump would work well.

Keep temps at 82 F give or take and feed them daily when small and skip days when they grow. I’m not a fan of power feeding but have found that they still grow really fast. As a matter of fact, I’ve been surprised at how quickly mine grew. With mine being large, I only feed them 4 times a week on average. I hate obese fish and it isn’t good for them to be fat. Remember that they do not burn as many calories/fat in an aquarium like they would in the wild. Keep them slim by not over-feeding. Others will disagree. Up to you what you decide.

I use pellets as a staple being particularly fond of Hikari products. Mine eat Massivore, Cichlids Gold, and Carnivore Food sticks. I supplement the pellets with Freeze Dried Krill, Dried unsalted Anchovy, and frozen smelt and market shrimp. Every so often, I’ll catch a lizard and toss it in for them too. To be honest, most of the time they eat pellets.

They generally ignore other tankmates too large for them to eat and they stay in the middle of the water column, though they will rise to the top begging you for food. Good tankmates would be larger lugubris Crenicichla, larger laterally compressed Heroine cichlids like Hoplarchus , Hero’s, or Hypselecara, along with Astronotus and Caquetaia. I’d stay away from any acara types and most earth eaters as the bass can swallow them when full grown. lunsforj lunsforj had his internedia swallow his Sataniperca Lilith which is among the largest growing Satanoperca. If you insist on eartheaters, stick to Altifrons or Winemilleri and get them grown since the bass will quickly outpace them and then eat them.

Larger catfish that stay 24” and under would make great bottom mates, as would stingrays and larger plecos. Arowana also make great mates. Other suitable tankmates are Red Hook or Wide Bar silver dollars, Flagtail Prochilodus, and larger growing Leporinus species. Notice I’m recommending all SA Amazonian fish. I’m a weirdo like that. I’d avoid CA cichlids tankmates along with Andean species like Mesoheros species, or umbees. They’re simply too aggressive for the cichla to be comfortable.

Let me know if you’d like more info but this should give you a good start.
Thanks much! I grew a couple out when I was younger but never past around 7" before trading them in. Really excited to get to keep these guys for a long time and see their full growth and development. As for filtration, Im just finishing up building the set up, its a 75g sump (was the only thing I could get my hands on] thats got everything it could ever need in terms of mechanical and biological filtration including a nitrate reactor that then gets pumped at 2600gph into a 2000g pond canister filter/uv sterilizer and then back into the tank. I'll post a video when its done but it should be by faaaar more than enough filtration. I even plumbed it with 3 overflow pipes to make sure it was getting maximum flow rate. Im planning on probably ending up with 4 or 5 PBass, 3 Odoe Pikes, and some kind of catfish. Probably a little overstocked when theyre all full grown but by then Ill probably have 2 tanks larger than this at my rate.
 
zoomed.com
hikariusa.com
aqaimports.com
Store