How do you get a cichlid to become a glass banger?

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There are different type of hump depending on the species. The few species of African cichlid (Frontosa, Moori, and buffalo head cichlid) have tissue hump that are fixed by genetic, and won't increase or decrease by stress. Many CA and SA have humps, some are fixed tissue hump, some are plastic water hump, and many are a combination of both. I have raised many Green Terror and in a group of male siblings, the dominant male developed the largest hump. When I removed the dominant male, the secondary male hump would pump up within 24 hours. A male GT kept alone with no stress carry small hump, if at all. So the GT hump is plastic, made up predominantly of water. I have kept only a couple Flowerhorn briefly, but have observed many sold in a LFS. FH are priced based on hump size more than color quality. Some FH never developed much hump for life and are priced cheaply. Some developed huge humps and are priced highly. Some FH huge humps are transient, losing the size later, and the owner attempted to revive it with mirror trick. Some female FH have hump too, but never as enormous as male. Apparently, FH hump is partially tissue, and partially watery, which vary genetically even from the same batch. In Asia fish farm, a high percentage of FH juvies were culled to cultivate big hump individuals.

My connotation of stress is competition, not necessarily in a negative way to the dominant fish. Not all glass bangers develop humps, examples are Buttikoferi Tilapia and Mbuna from Africa.
 

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To most species of fish, any form of stress, acute or chronic, is most likely going to create negative health outcomes.
Call it whatever one likes.

The stress response in fish - PubMed


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The stress response in teleost fish shows many similarities to that of the terrestrial vertebrates. These concern the principal messengers of the brain-sympathetic-chromaffin cell axis (equivalent of the brain-sympathetic-adrenal medulla axis) and the brain-pituitary-interrenal axis (equivalent of the brain-pituitary-adrenal axis), as well as their functions, involving stimulation of oxygen uptake and transfer, mobilization of energy substrates, reallocation of energy away from growth and reproduction, and mainly suppressive effects on immune functions. There is also growing evidence for intensive interaction between the neuroendocrine system and the immune system in fish. Conspicuous differences, however, are present, and these are primarily related to the aquatic environment of fishes. For example, stressors increase the permeability of the surface epithelia, including the gills, to water and ions, and thus induce systemic hydromineral disturbances. High circulating catecholamine levels as well as structural damage to the gills and perhaps the skin are prime causal factors. This is associated with increased cellular turnover in these organs. In fish, cortisol combines glucocorticoid and mineralocorticoid actions, with the latter being essential for the restoration of hydromineral homeostasis, in concert with hormones such as prolactin (in freshwater) and growth hormone (in seawater). Toxic stressors are part of the stress literature in fish more so than in mammals. This is mainly related to the fact that fish are exposed to aquatic pollutants via the extensive and delicate respiratory surface of the gills and, in seawater, also via drinking. The high bioavailability of many chemicals in water is an additional factor. Together with the variety of highly sensitive perceptive mechanisms in the integument, this may explain why so many pollutants evoke an integrated stress response in fish in addition to their toxic effects at the cell and tissue levels. Exposure to chemicals may also directly compromise the stress response by interfering with specific neuroendocrine control mechanisms. Because hydromineral disturbance is inherent to stress in fish, external factors such as water pH, mineral composition, and ionic calcium levels have a significant impact on stressor intensity. Although the species studied comprise a small and nonrepresentative sample of the almost 20,000 known teleost species, there are many indications that the stress response is variable and flexible in fish, in line with the great diversity of adaptations that enable these animals to live in a large variety of aquatic habitats.


Measuring cortisol, the major stress hormone in fishes - Sadoul - 2019 - Journal of Fish Biology - Wiley Online Library

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Stress in teleosts is an increasingly studied topic because of its interaction with growth, reproduction, immune system and ultimately fitness of the animal. Whether it is for evaluating welfare in aquaculture, adaptive capacities in fish ecology, or to investigate effects of human-induced rapid environmental change, new experimental methods to describe stress physiology in captive or wild fish have flourished. Cortisol has proven to be a reliable indicator of stress and is considered the major stress hormone. Initially principally measured in blood, cortisol measurement methods are now evolving towards lower invasiveness and to allow repeated measurements over time. We present an overview of recent achievements in the field of cortisol measurement in fishes, discussing new alternatives to blood, whole body and eggs as matrices for cortisol measurement, notably mucus, faeces, water, scales and fins. In parallel, new analytical tools are being developed to increase specificity, sensitivity and automation of the measure. The review provides the founding principles of these techniques and introduces their potential as continuous monitoring tools. Finally, we consider promising avenues of research that could be prioritised in the field of stress physiology of fishes.



Frontiers | Cortisol-Related Signatures of Stress in the Fish Microbiome

Exposure to environmental stressors can compromise fish health and fitness. Little is known about how stress-induced microbiome disruption may contribute to these adverse health effects, including how cortisol influences fish microbial communities. We exposed juvenile Atlantic salmon to a mild confinement stressor for two weeks. We then measured cortisol in the plasma, skin-mucus, and feces, and characterized the skin and fecal microbiome. Fecal and skin cortisol concentrations increased in fish exposed to confinement stress, and were positively correlated with plasma cortisol. Elevated fecal cortisol was associated with pronounced changes in the diversity and structure of the fecal microbiome. In particular, we identified a marked decline in the lactic acid bacteria Carnobacterium sp. and an increase in the abundance of operational taxonomic units within the classes Clostridia and Gammaproteobacteria. In contrast, cortisol concentrations in skin-mucus were lower than in the feces, and were not related to any detectable changes in the skin microbiome. Our results demonstrate that stressor-induced cortisol production is associated with disruption of the gut microbiome, which may, in turn, contribute to the adverse effects of stress on fish health. They also highlight the value of using non-invasive fecal samples to monitor stress, including simultaneous determination of cortisol and stress-responsive bacteria.
 
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There are different type of hump depending on the species. The few species of African cichlid (Frontosa, Moori, and buffalo head cichlid) have tissue hump that are fixed by genetic, and won't increase or decrease by stress. Many CA and SA have humps, some are fixed tissue hump, some are plastic water hump, and many are a combination of both. I have raised many Green Terror and in a group of male siblings, the dominant male developed the largest hump. When I removed the dominant male, the secondary male hump would pump up within 24 hours. A male GT kept alone with no stress carry small hump, if at all. So the GT hump is plastic, made up predominantly of water. I have kept only a couple Flowerhorn briefly, but have observed many sold in a LFS. FH are priced based on hump size more than color quality. Some FH never developed much hump for life and are priced cheaply. Some developed huge humps and are priced highly. Some FH huge humps are transient, losing the size later, and the owner attempted to revive it with mirror trick. Some female FH have hump too, but never as enormous as male. Apparently, FH hump is partially tissue, and partially watery, which vary genetically even from the same batch. In Asia fish farm, a high percentage of FH juvies were culled to cultivate big hump individuals.

My connotation of stress is competition, not necessarily in a negative way to the dominant fish. Not all glass bangers develop humps, examples are Buttikoferi Tilapia and Mbuna from Africa.
 

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RD. RD. Thanks for posting that very complex explanation on the results of stress in fish. And I bet that info barely scratches the surface. I tried to stay with it as long as I could, lol.

The complications of stress seem to be many and I can't help but think about all the discussions we have on here regarding the big nitrate debate and the negative effects that supposedly has on aquarium inhabitants, especially when there are so many other players involved too.

I doubt we'll ever fully understand.
 

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My frontosas have humps that are constantly changing size?
That's a because of their rank in the hierarchy.
There are different type of hump depending on the species. The few species of African cichlid (Frontosa, Moori, and buffalo head cichlid) have tissue hump that are fixed by genetic, and won't increase or decrease by stress.
That's not true. Their hump can and will change accordingly to their position in the hierarchy. Their hump is also not only composed of tissue but also cartilage, water and some fat.
The best example are the Danakilia species which develop and lose their massive humps within 48hours.
 
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My oscar was a lid banger when he was hungry. Every morning I sit in front of the tank, the light would kick on. When he woke up enough BAM! on the lid to get me to feed him :)
 
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My frontosas have humps that are constantly changing size?
What do you mean by constantly changing? My Green Terrors hump size can expand or shrink overnight due to artificial change of pecking order by removal, but not constantly. I’ve never observed hump size fluctuation in frontosa, even bullied ones keep their hump. The hump size variation in Front are age and variant dependent. Frontosa humps tend to be gradual, whereas stressed out GT humps can be abrupt and tumor like.
 

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But how many people keep Fronts as glass bangers? :dbz3_4:
 
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