NTT Datnoid Sudden Death Syndrome

[black056mtc]

"Thin Bars also like to just up and die on you. It is a sudden death syndrome with no other apparent signs. So it is hard to blame the brackish setup or just the fish itself.

Ivan "

"It appears to be something like that. I have been reading a lot of people in Singapore and Thailand with similar problems no matter in what salinity they keep them.
My salinity with the bigger datnoids is not high but a very good friend told me to just eye measure the sale in the pond. I did and I have no problems with it. However, the smaller Thin bars I have had in the past can be doing awesome and just up and die with no signs or anything of the sort.

Ivan"

If you're into Dats then you should know Ivan. I just quoted some of his replies about ntt sds. If any if you know anything about this S.D.S please add your inputs. Reason being is that i lost one not long ago and another one (5") just kiss good by to his tank mates. I'm now down to 4 NTT. (3.5-4.5") Last ones was 6". I thought most of the worries should be for the smaller ones cause the bigger ones are hardier but.....

Signs are. First, it will no longer hide. Second, it will color up real nice. Third, stayed down and not very active. Four, fast breathing. Five, in the trash it goes. I would like to hear from those with more info about this. thanks.

 

[megalops///]

"Thin Bars also like to just up and die on you. It is a sudden death syndrome with no other apparent signs. So it is hard to blame the brackish setup or just the fish itself.

Ivan "

"It appears to be something like that. I have been reading a lot of people in Singapore and Thailand with similar problems no matter in what salinity they keep them.
My salinity with the bigger datnoids is not high but a very good friend told me to just eye measure the sale in the pond. I did and I have no problems with it. However, the smaller Thin bars I have had in the past can be doing awesome and just up and die with no signs or anything of the sort.

Ivan"


If you're into Dats then you should know Ivan. I just quoted some of his replies about ntt sds. If any if you know anything about this S.D.S please add your inputs. Reason being is that i lost one not long ago and another one (5") just kiss good by to his tank mates. I'm now down to 4 NTT. (3.5-4.5") Last ones was 6". I thought most of the worries should be for the smaller ones cause the bigger ones are hardier but.....

Signs are. First, it will no longer hide. Second, it will color up real nice. Third, stayed down and not very active. Four, fast breathing. Five, in the trash it goes. I would like to hear from those with more info about this. thanks.

This is a very open ended and un-specific topic...

As soon as I read "EYE measure" the salt in the pond, red flags immediately went up. Why do that? It seems reckless and irresponsible to do that because salt NEVER evaporates.

Fast breathing could be a multitude of problems. First thing that come to mind are gill flukes and other parasites. Also, poor oxygen levels cause a fish to breath hard and die without any physical symptoms. More details are needed.

Can you give us a detailed description of your pond/tank? Size, depth, average temperature, salinity levels, aeration, filtration, stockist, and water perimeters? Many things can be narrowed down from knowing these details.

Everything dies for a reason. Whether it be old age or a salinity level thats too high, nothing dies without reason. To me this "sudden death syndrome" sounds like a load of BS to me.

Sorry, but I searched this forum I could not find this "Ivan" you were speaking of. Could you show me where you found these quotes?

 

[Ade]

Interesting. There arnt many that doubt sds
ESP for thinbar.
Irrespective of what Ivan thinks...It has happened to many members ntt, many of which with tiger community tanks and all other tigerfish are thriving... And water conditions seem fine.
Unless an autopsy is done, well never know for sure.

 

[Loubard]

I have lost 2 small (1.5-2") and 1 bigger (8") ntt's with no apperent reason. I still don't have any idea what caused them to die. I had them for more than a year and all died in one night, in the morning they would lay dead on the bottom of the tank. All where eating dead food (shimp mostly). There was no salt in the tank and everything else in there (clown loaches) where fine.

 

[nomad]

after loosing two this year (4" and 5" perfect water parameters, with other healthy dat species in the tank) I just keep ST and NGT.....with NTTs odds are against the keeper....how many NTTs over 10 " have you seen on this site ? I can only recall 4 or 5. I think that speaks for itself.
It seems that before they reach the 8" mark all bets are off.

megalops ......Ivan is the the dat forum mod. on the AP site and he really knows what he's talking about.

 

[Rawrs.]

http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25259

Thats ivan

 

[black056mtc]

I have been keeping fishes for awhile but not NTT. Most of mine cichlids (african, SA, CA) breedring like crazy.

It's not the water condition that killed it. Tap water is around 7.2 with some crushed coral is @ 7.5. The temp is @ 78. Its a 240 tank with a 30% weekly with aged+heated water change. Filter consist of 2-40 gal wet dry with a total of 25 gal of bio balls, a couple cubic feet of floss media, 2 fluval a 405 and 404. Iwaki md 40 for return. The fluvals keeps the water surface movements while the main returns are points down the middle to clean and rotate the tank's water. The total water volume after minute everything is 250 gal.

There are 12 med. fronts 4-7", a 22 black arow, was 5 but now 4 NTT 3-4.5. Right now its not overly crowed but will be down the road..Since the death of mine last NTT i've been testing the water weekly and everything seem just fine. All other fishes are fine but the NTT are keeping on dying one after another??????????

So how many of you have successfully keeping NTT from 3" up to ?" can you show us some pointers. or input? I think if one more NTT die on me then i'll just give up on Datnoid ( or switch to Indos )

 

[megalops///]

megalops ......Ivan is the the dat forum mod. on the AP site and he really knows what he's talking about.

http://aquaticpredators.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=25259

Thats ivan

Thanks guys for clearing that up!

I completely forgot about AP and Ivan. He does indeed know his stuff. i'm opening up their page right now...

 

[RajivRajiv]

My NTT Datnoid fish suddenly seems to have brown shades all over the body, i know it changes color when stressed but this seems to be unusual what maybe the issue and how to recover it??

 

[phreeflow]

My NTT Datnoid fish suddenly seems to have brown shades all over the body, i know it changes color when stressed but this seems to be unusual what maybe the issue and how to recover it??

NTT don’t change color as often as Indo but still can and do depending on the situation. NTT are notorious for suddenly dying as this old thread was discussing. Not sure anyone has figured out the mystery yet as it’s still very rare to ever see a large NTT.