About auratus and Demasoni.

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I have found that as they do in nature, certain species do best in colonies or their own kind,
any of the genus Tropheus in Lake Tanganyika, and/or P. demasoni in lake Malawi.
It's not any one thing, but many factors all work together to transform a colonial unit that works together, providing security in numbers, evicting undesirables, algae species grazing (almost like farming) in some cases.
Though not as specified, certain Central Americans form shoaling units in the same manner.
At times if a Fire Mouth is kept as a single indiviual or pair, in a comminty cichlid tank, it either does poorly, or becomes hyper aggressive, but....
if kept as a shoal, in a large tank, without other cichlids, it becomes a completly different dynamic.
I have noticed a similar situaltion with Cribroheros, where many aquarists have problems keeping Cribroheros rostratus as a single individual in a comminuity, or pair becoming hyper aggressive, ....but
where I keept a shoal of a dozen in a large tank, with no other cichlids present, experiencing no aggression at all.
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I've seen similar reaction in the Cenotes of Mexico
Where Rocio (JDs) end up in mixed cichlids communities their populatin are often small, and they get torn up
https://youtu.be/eBFAtr6ZfIs
But when Rocio are the sole dominent cichlid, in a large area, their populations are large, are healthyy, and do much better.
https://youtu.be/txmi1mng_XQ
I am doing an experiment at the moment, with 2 species that share the same stretch of river, where I have found no other cichlid speces.
It's interesting that although they share only the same limited space (only a 180 gallon tank) and are quite crowded, aggression (so far) has been minimal.
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Have they developed some kind of evolutionary coexistance capacity within that river?
Does the fact that they have different feeding strategies allow less completion for resources in the river?
 

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I have never kept auratus and never would. Just not into overly aggressive fish. I have read the advice of highly respected fishkeepers like Duanes and heeded it.

If you mean mbuna with haps and peacocks...mostly aggression. But even when that was well managed, the labs and acei acted differently from the rest of the fish, stood out as looking like they were out of place, and just generally subtracted from the tank rather than added to it. I removed them after a couple of years.

If you are wondering about more aggressive mbuna...I like to keep the more timid haps and stuartgranti peacocks and in all-male you are constantly battling to keep the mix compatible to maximize color. I even removed several supposedly peaceful haps to this end. Waste of time to try even more aggressive mbuna.

In fact, I don't do all-male at all any more. The colors and compatibility with mixed gender haps and peacocks is just SO much better.
I absolutely agree on some parts, I'm more interested in mixed gender than keeping all-male. After all, their aggression, breeding and all that are parts of their nature.
 

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Keep in mind female haps and peacocks are drab. Worth it to me to have 4 silver females to get one brilliant male, but some do not agree.
 
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