Calcium Bentonite/Montmorillionite clay

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Calcium Bentonite/Montmorillionite clay

Anybody using this for their tank or Pond?
I ocassionally use it before , I've read its good for fish and also polishes water.
but now i'm planning to dose weekly in my tanks and pond anybody has experience with using this?
its supposed to be added at 1 tablespoon per 1000 gals water.
 
Calcium Bentonite/Montmorillionite clay

Anybody using this for their tank or Pond?
I ocassionally use it before , I've read its good for fish and also polishes water.
but now i'm planning to dose weekly in my tanks and pond anybody has experience with using this?
its supposed to be added at 1 tablespoon per 1000 gals water.
Batang. It is an excellent product and I have used this in my koi pond that I had. It clarifies the water and replenishes minerals in the water. Fish absorb minerals through their skin and it is essential to replace these in some way. Essential minerals contained in Bentonite clay have been proved to increase the lustre and overall wellbeing of the fish. The downside off course is that the water is cloudy after administering the clay to your pond or tank for a day or so. I am busy devising a method of adding the clay to my water prepped for water change so as to add the minerals to my tank. My filtration takes care of clarity.
 
It's a gimmick, don't waste your money. I wrote the following several years ago when discussing the addition of clay to fish feed.

This logic or theory originates with mud/clay bottomed Koi ponds in Japan, and the belief by many Koi breeders that mud lined ponds produce better Koi than cement ponds. This logic is based on the belief that the natural mineral content found in mud enhances the fishes color & overall health, as do the natural feedstuffs found in a mud bottomed pond. With the fish feed costing over half the total costs of running a Koi farm, this would also translate into overall operation savings, especially if organic & inorganic fertilisers are added to the pond (such a chicken droppings) to maximize the natural feedstuffs found in the pond.



I don't believe that the idea of the adsorption properties of clay ever played into this concept in the early days of breeding Koi, but is more of a recent event since the promotion & sale of this clay by health gurus over the past 25 years or so. While there are scores of vendors selling clay for the use in Koi ponds, I certainly don't see many freshwater or marine people jumping on the clay bandwagon.



While adding trace mineral elements to tap water that's void in certain minerals may be beneficial to some fish, a high quality food will contain an ample amount of these trace elements & minerals in the food itself. If for whatever reason one is still concerned about this, an easy fix would be to add something as simple as a teaspoon of a natural sea salt to your tank with each water change.


As an example ...........


Analysis: Coarse Grey Sea Salt

Chloride: 51%; Sodium: 32%; Water from crystalization: 7%; Sulfur: 1.12%; Zinc: .87%; Magnesium: .50%; Iron: .38%; Potassium: .26%;Manganese: .026%; Copper: .018%; Calcium: .012%; Silicon: .011%; Micro-Elements: Carbon: .034%; Strontium: .009%; Boron: .004%; Hydrogen: .003%; Fluorine: .001%; Nitrogen: .0008%; Argon: .0005%; Lithium: .0002%; Rubidium: .00014%; Phosphorus: .000112%; Iodine: .00007%; Barium: .00002%; Molybdenum: .000012%; Nickel: .000008%; Arsenic: .0000037%; Uranium: .0000038%; Vanadium: .0000024%; Tin: .0000009%; Cobalt: .00000045%; Antimony: .00000035%; Silver: .00000032%; Krypton: .00000024%; Chromium: .0000002%; Mercury: .0000002%; Neon: .00000012%; Cadmium: .000000112%; Selenium: .0000001%; Germanium: .00000007%; Xenon: .00000006%; Scandium: .00000005%; Gallium: .000000035%; Zirconium: .00000003%; Lead: .000000026%; Bismuth: .000000024%; Niobium: .000000023%; Thalium: .000000022%; Gold: .000000019%; Pico-traces of: Helium; Lanthanum; Neodymium; Thorium; Cerium; Cesium; Terbium; Yttrium; Dysprosium; Erbium; Ytterbium; Hafnium; Gadolinium; Prasodymium; Beryllium; Samarium; Holmium; Lutecium; Tantalum; Thulium; Europium; Tungsten; Protactinium.


If my count is correct, I counted a total of 71 minerals & trace elements. If I really felt the need, which I do not as my tap water is high in mineral content, as is the food that I feed, I could buy a bag of natural sea salt for $20 or less, and at a teaspoon per water change it would probably last me into the next decade.
 
It's a gimmick, don't waste your money. I wrote the following several years ago when discussing the addition of clay to fish feed.

This logic or theory originates with mud/clay bottomed Koi ponds in Japan, and the belief by many Koi breeders that mud lined ponds produce better Koi than cement ponds. This logic is based on the belief that the natural mineral content found in mud enhances the fishes color & overall health, as do the natural feedstuffs found in a mud bottomed pond. With the fish feed costing over half the total costs of running a Koi farm, this would also translate into overall operation savings, especially if organic & inorganic fertilisers are added to the pond (such a chicken droppings) to maximize the natural feedstuffs found in the pond.



I don't believe that the idea of the adsorption properties of clay ever played into this concept in the early days of breeding Koi, but is more of a recent event since the promotion & sale of this clay by health gurus over the past 25 years or so. While there are scores of vendors selling clay for the use in Koi ponds, I certainly don't see many freshwater or marine people jumping on the clay bandwagon.



While adding trace mineral elements to tap water that's void in certain minerals may be beneficial to some fish, a high quality food will contain an ample amount of these trace elements & minerals in the food itself. If for whatever reason one is still concerned about this, an easy fix would be to add something as simple as a teaspoon of a natural sea salt to your tank with each water change.


As an example ...........


Analysis: Coarse Grey Sea Salt

Chloride: 51%; Sodium: 32%; Water from crystalization: 7%; Sulfur: 1.12%; Zinc: .87%; Magnesium: .50%; Iron: .38%; Potassium: .26%;Manganese: .026%; Copper: .018%; Calcium: .012%; Silicon: .011%; Micro-Elements: Carbon: .034%; Strontium: .009%; Boron: .004%; Hydrogen: .003%; Fluorine: .001%; Nitrogen: .0008%; Argon: .0005%; Lithium: .0002%; Rubidium: .00014%; Phosphorus: .000112%; Iodine: .00007%; Barium: .00002%; Molybdenum: .000012%; Nickel: .000008%; Arsenic: .0000037%; Uranium: .0000038%; Vanadium: .0000024%; Tin: .0000009%; Cobalt: .00000045%; Antimony: .00000035%; Silver: .00000032%; Krypton: .00000024%; Chromium: .0000002%; Mercury: .0000002%; Neon: .00000012%; Cadmium: .000000112%; Selenium: .0000001%; Germanium: .00000007%; Xenon: .00000006%; Scandium: .00000005%; Gallium: .000000035%; Zirconium: .00000003%; Lead: .000000026%; Bismuth: .000000024%; Niobium: .000000023%; Thalium: .000000022%; Gold: .000000019%; Pico-traces of: Helium; Lanthanum; Neodymium; Thorium; Cerium; Cesium; Terbium; Yttrium; Dysprosium; Erbium; Ytterbium; Hafnium; Gadolinium; Prasodymium; Beryllium; Samarium; Holmium; Lutecium; Tantalum; Thulium; Europium; Tungsten; Protactinium.


If my count is correct, I counted a total of 71 minerals & trace elements. If I really felt the need, which I do not as my tap water is high in mineral content, as is the food that I feed, I could buy a bag of natural sea salt for $20 or less, and at a teaspoon per water change it would probably last me into the next decade.
I enjoyed reading your post and learnt something too. Particularly about using natural sea salt to suplement tge trace elements. I must however point out that although tap water contains the necessary trace elements, mine certainly does, fish absorb these out of the confined space of a tank or pond very rapidly. As I said, I enjoy your use of natural sea salt to do this and will certainly explore this. Once again thank you for an excellent resonse.
 
But that is exactly why one needs to keep up with water changes, not only do they remove/lower nitrate levels, but they also replenish minerals and trace elements. And as previously mentioned all commercial foods will contain a vitamin/mineral premix, so a deficiency would be very rare, even in water completely void of any mineral content.
 
Can freshwater fish absorb minerals from water? RD. RD.
 
thanks Percy :) RD :) Really appreciate your inputs.
The Koi CLay is not really that expensive here.
I bought a pound for less than 10$ .

I'm not really sure, but i think it does help with water clarity, also our water here quite soft.
I was thinking i can use it sort of like baking soda?


 
For water clarity, especially in a pond, I would use a commercial probiotic designed for ponds. Some are extremely inexpensive, and come with the added bonus of adding some competitive exclusion against pathogenic bacteria. This is what I use.
http://www.bactri.com/

And yes, freshwater fish can absorb various minerals from water. (via skin/gills)
 
thanks RD:) I also have bottled bacteria
http://www.whitecranev88.com/en/shop/product/item/psb1

its supoosed to help with water quality, but i always forget to use it.

PSBIO is Photo Synthetic Bacteria. Bacteria will digest organic matter in water and improve water quality. PSBIO is anaerobic bacteria, so they are harmless to all kinds of aquatic animals. Since they do not need oxygen to live, the usage is very wide and can be used in high dosage for most effective results. It can be used in both fresh water and sea water with same result.


Btw RD, I'm curious with your signature

“The trouble with quotes on the Internet is you never know if they are genuine.” —Abraham Lincoln

Was Lincoln around when the internet got invented? heheh.



I know i'm supposed to keep things simple, nut sure why i keep on researching and trying to improve the water.
 
You will not find a Grand Champion koi in Japan that has not spent a year or more in a mud pond. There has to be something to the theory that a mud pond improves the quality of the koi's skin.
 
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