Firewood catfish doing barrel rolls

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houie925

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This past afternoon my firewood catfish was swimming around doing barrel rolls. He would occasionally stop and when he landed on the sand he would sometimes end up on his side or back. He didn't seem to be favoring being upside down or on one side, he was just swimming in a spiraling fashion. After I started my WC he appeared to be acting more his usual self, patroling the bottom swimming normally and resting upright but he would occasionally resume rolling while he swam. I increased surface agitation by raising my pump output out of the water and did a 25% WC. I checked on him before I left for work and he was sitting on the bottom and appeared to be acting normally, though I didn't see him swim. His gills were still moving at least.

Water temp is 79-80F. PH is about 7.5. No ammonia or nitrites. Nitrates are bright orange on my API kit, I can't tell colors well enough to judge the reading better than that. Higher than I'd like but I've been having trouble getting it down.

Tank is holding approximately 400 gallons, 8x4 footprint 24" high but it's only filled to about 20, and sump is about another 40 gallons. Filtration is 15 gallons of media (gravel/small rock) with double layers of the blue floss for mech in a 45G plastic stock tank. Pumping about 2500GPH.

Tankmates are a tiger shovelnose, a RTCxTSN hybrid, and a niger cat. Firewood cat is approximately 12" and is the longest fish in the tank. Aggression hasn't been an issue so far. No visible injuries on him or others, not even ragged fins. He had a broken off whisker, and gill curl when I got him in April but he's pretty much grown out of the gill curl and his whisker is nearly full length again.

I have a drip system running about 4GPH and perform a manual WC of about 25% at least once per week.

I've never had to treat my cats for anything but ICH, which was in April in a previous tank. Treated with high temps, 86-88F and daily WCs/gravel vacs for a few weeks. Tried salt at a low dose but the cats seemed to respond poorly to it so stopped that after a couple days. ICH hasn't showed up at all since treatment.

I feed mostly whole frozen/thawed fish, fillets of various fish, and whole shrimp. The Niger gets pellets but the other cats haven't taken to them. Last feeding was Tuesday and the firewood catfish only ate one fish. Usually he's a pig but occasionally not, so that didn't worry me. Shortly after feeding I used a flashlight to look at the roots of my plants and accidentally lit up the firewood cat with the reflection off the tank lid and he regurgitated the fish. I figured I had stressed him by shining the light on him but now I'm not so sure.

Any ideas what's wrong? Assuming he makes it through the night, when I get home in the morning I'll do another WC. What else should I do?
 
Sounds like a swim bladder condition. The trouble with this broad diagnoses is you can't always be sure what triggered it. The possibile causes could be water quality an intestinal blockage, Parasitic or bacterial. However in this case "Bright Orange" on the API test kit would indicate high nitrates of at least 40 ppm and probibly higher. This water quality issue IMO is the root of your problem.

Try using a product like Seachem Purigen http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Purigen.html. Stop feeding completly for a week and continue with water changes. If you are having trouble reading the test results take a sample of water with you to the LFS and let them test it for you. Overfeeding and stocking levels is a major cause of elavated levels of nitrates. HTH.
 
Thanks for the advice. My fish seems to be doing alright this morning. He looks to me like he is leaning just slightly to one side but otherwise swimming around looking healthy, I spent all night worried he'd be belly up when I got home. I'm working on the nitrates, I know they're higher than they should be and it's because I overfeed. Doing WC right now. Will try to pick up some purigen today, $50 locally, ouch.
As for the nitrate test, I see all the other colors well enough to approximate my levels but the 40 and 80ppm nitrate oranges look exactly the same to me on the card. Will continue daily large WC until it's down to a level I can see better. My wife says it looks about like 40ppm currently, maybe slightly lower

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The water changes will lower the nitrates. If nitrates are the root cause (which I suspect) you will see the condition improve quickly the lower you get them. Like I said stop feeding and continue with the water changes. When you resume feeding cut back on the amount, frequency or both. After a week (assuming they haven't been feed since Tuesday) it might be a good idea to offer some pellets, force the issue and use this as an opertunity. The Shrimp and fish are good as weekly treats but pellets should be the staple. Good Luck.
 
No purigen but I'm making progress. The catfish is definitely more buoyant on his right side, leans slightly when swimming and more when resting, but is otherwise acting normal as far as I can tell.

Test on the left is pre-WC and right is post-WC

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the same thing happened to my tsn they were rolling and the next day they were almost dead that one died afterward the other is fine now. this was caused by ammonia spike in my tank do water changes regularly catfish are the most vulnerable when nitrates and nitrites rise since they have no scales watch out for the other cats as well since they are also as same as the planiceps. best luck to you don't worry you planiceps will be fine as you do wc
 
the same thing happened to my tsn they were rolling and the next day they were almost dead that one died afterward the other is fine now. this was caused by ammonia spike in my tank do water changes regularly catfish are the most vulnerable when nitrates and nitrites rise since they have no scales watch out for the other cats as well since they are also as same as the planiceps. best luck to you don't worry you planiceps will be fine as you do wc

All others are acting normal. The Planiceps appears to be fine today as well. Nitrates look the same today as yesterday, around 20ppm and I'm doing another WC right now.

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That's good news. I'm happy to hear it's donig better.
 
Unfortunately he took a serious turn for the worse a few hours ago. He started consistently swimming upside down or on his side, surfacing and bumping into the walls and floor of the tank, not hitting hard but more like he wasn't able to control his direction of travel and is now lying on his side, gills barely moving

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hey if you have another tank which is cycled and has good water quality you might have a go in putting him there. i don't recommend this since it can stress the fella. do regular water changes and make sure no fish is stressing him out. looks like he is having trouble with swimbladder iam hoping for the best
 
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