Fleshy's 125g Build

[ceejayt2k]

Sorry for your loss..

 

[lexi21]

you have very nice coral, very nice
great job for such college with limited budget like you

 

[Heathd]

PLEASE PLEASE put a thread up on "How to breed cleaner shrimps for dummies"...I want to breed some marine animal...brine shrimp aint cutten it lol

I'm late on this thread so im going one page at a time, reading every post lol very interesting.

"Thanks guys, this is the first fish I have lost in years." -Fleshy

Hey, sorry to hear about your tang, what a beauty! I've never heard of those tangs until reading your thread (I read the entire thread), for that I thank you. Also it show's your a great reefer being able to have fish to thrive in a private aquarium setting for years without death...yesterday I lost one of my chromis lol.

I think it's because i removed my seaclone, and thier was no airation, so they started to breath really fast (I didn't know that skimmers give's airation), so now I have a tube of airbubbles in the tank currently to save my convict.

Also keep us updated Flesh always good to here and learn the strategies of a well known reefer........btw this is random I wished I lived in wisconsion to drive to fosters and smiths divers den..

I think success with this critters boils down to: predation (or lack there of), flow, and filtration. I wouldnt be surprised at all if people all over the world had these breeding in the display tanks, but never saw any of the babies. I imagine many get eaten or killed mechanical filtration.

 

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I think success with this critters boils down to: predation (or lack there of), flow, and filtration. I wouldnt be surprised at all if people all over the world had these breeding in the display tanks, but never saw any of the babies. I imagine many get eaten or killed mechanical filtration.

Getting them to breed is the easy part it is the 5 month larval period that makes these guys so dang hard to raise. If you have them spawning in your tank your fish and corals will be happy though

 

[FLESHY]

Wow guys, didnt get a post in a few days and I thought this thing was dead. Lots has happened since the last post, but we will start with my responses.

PLEASE PLEASE put a thread up on "How to breed cleaner shrimps for dummies"...I want to breed some marine animal...brine shrimp aint cutten it lol

Breeding isnt hard, REARING the young, is most likely a different story. As I said earlier in the thread, I have had success with peppermints, but knowing that they eat corals, they wont be in this tank.

I'm late on this thread so im going one page at a time, reading every post lol very interesting.

"Thanks guys, this is the first fish I have lost in years." -Fleshy

Hey, sorry to hear about your tang, what a beauty! I've never heard of those tangs until reading your thread (I read the entire thread), for that I thank you. Also it show's your a great reefer being able to have fish to thrive in a private aquarium setting for years without death...yesterday I lost one of my chromis lol.

IMO most fish, even mine, dont live as long as they should. Cant wait to have this 125g set up long term with enough space to see a lot of my fish get to the right size and live long natural lives. (as much as possible in a glass box)

I think it's because i removed my seaclone, and thier was no airation, so they started to breath really fast (I didn't know that skimmers give's airation), so now I have a tube of airbubbles in the tank currently to save my convict.

Skimmers definitely put a lot of air into your tank, especially one like that.

Also keep us updated Flesh always good to here and learn the strategies of a well known reefer........btw this is random I wished I lived in wisconsion to drive to fosters and smiths divers den..

DD is pretty cool. Been there once. Bought a ton of stuff. Mainly fish. I think that the fish is more worth it than the corals, although they do some pretty kickarse LPS.

So sorry for your lose. I've had similair instances in the past myself. I spent $75 a piece for 5 Caribe Piranha - they came in with ich, masive water change and quick ich dosing - in a hurry I didn't read the fine print "1/2 the recommended dosing for tetras" - next day the scales fell off of every caribe, they all were dead within 3 days. I've used mardel cletted cooper exclusively ever since. I've also seen this with multiple fish and bloat, sometimes the stomachs twist from too much protien gas, it can hit slow and curable - it can hit fast and deadly. When it hits fast the fish turn white even while they still are alive grasping on the bottom - for some reason or another while they are in this state it causes a feeding response to it's tankmates - they pick the scales right off the bloated fish.

Strange...that almost sounds worse than my situation. The only thing that I hate is that unlike a freshwater tank I cant dose meds straight into the tank. Serious bummer there, maintaining h2o quality in QT's is almost impossible. More on that later.

Sorry for your loss..

Thanks, it still stings. Im just sitting here thinking about how I should have just gotten rid of my angel fish, or ditched the blue tang, or both.

One way or another, I am happy with my stock now, but that has always been a dream fish of mine.

you have very nice coral, very nice
great job for such college with limited budget like you

Thanks, I take that as a serious compliment...on a side note, the money pool is about to dry up, Im going to have to get another job to keep this thing running. We are just getting started. Come back next year this time and I should hopefully have a nicer product to show off.

I think success with this critters boils down to: predation (or lack there of), flow, and filtration. I wouldnt be surprised at all if people all over the world had these breeding in the display tanks, but never saw any of the babies. I imagine many get eaten or killed mechanical filtration.

Plus one, the tank the peppermints reproduced in had crappy flow, and 100lb of LR in a 55g tank. Maybe even more rock than that. It was solid. Every time you picked up a rock clouds of shrimp and copepod larvae would go everywhere. Should have bought a mandarin.

Getting them to breed is the easy part it is the 5 month larval period that makes these guys so dang hard to raise. If you have them spawning in your tank your fish and corals will be happy though

+1 again...the two times my fish have been happiest I think is when my anchor coral reproduced sexually, (LOTS of eggs) and when my peppermints used to come out on like a every four week basis and shake off their eggs into the flow. Pretty sweet to watch with the moonlights on.

So now on to what has happened.

Everyone is out of QT.

I took the blue tang out first, and put him back. Within two days of being in tank, he showed signs of ich again. He also had HLLE from being in QT. His fins were frayed, and this did not get better with him and the angelfish battling out territories again.

To make matters worse, I woke up one day to find him with a bloated, although not "popped" eye. It was completely cloudy, and he would not leave the cover of the rocks.

That went away within a week, and the week after that, I decided to re-add the purple tang, hoping this would give the blue a chance to recover some of its fins that were not looking so good. (Unfortunately with tangs fin damage can often be permanent.)

The eye issue came back however, but in the opposite eye. That is gone now as well.

Fish are looking better been feeding as much/the best that I can.

Now we just need to get the HLLE gone off of the tangs.

Some fish are respiring heavily, however I am blaming this on some ich in the gills. Tried to add another cleaner, saw a molt on a powerhead about a week ago, but no cleaner so far...must have killed him off.

I have to live with ich now, so...it sucks, and what sucks even worse is that it is basically PIA (pain in ass) aquatics fault for shipping me a sick fish, and not even telling me that they shipped it until the night after it arrived. I had no chance to QT this fish.

Making the best of the situation, I cleaned out my sump, starting using filter socks, chaeto, continued vodka dosing, and am now running 200ml of purigen in my reactor.

I plan on swithching out those 200ml's and just leaving them lying around the sump, when I replace with an additional 200ml. Then when those expire they will be replaced, they will go into the sump, and when the time is right, I will recharge the first batch to put back into the reactor. I dont know about your experiences, but in mine, if you let purigen dry out, it does some weird stuff. Strange enough where I wouldn't want to use it in tank again.

Hopefully we will have some new fish and coral soon, although there is already some stuff you guys havent seen yet! Will let you know when I post another video.

 

[Tb86]

That sucks man... Cyanide is commonly used in Thailand, and other s.e.a countries, Indonesia, Malaysia, ect.. Totally illegal but it happens

 

[jworth]

I never emptied my tank to treat for ich and have been ich free for at least 3 months. I religiously change water and clean stuff out though. I like to think its a stress free environment with the exception of my 6-line wrasse constantly attacking my flasher wrasse. So its not the end of the world to live with ich. many people do.

 

[Otherone]

Once again - I will NEVER order fish thru the mail, those trips are often too stressful for the fish to handle. I couldn't begin to count how many FW Cudas and Vampire Tetras I lost to Ich over the years due to transport and they weren't mailed. These fish are just as sensitive as any SW fish perhaps thats why they are just as expensive.

 

[FLESHY]

I never emptied my tank to treat for ich and have been ich free for at least 3 months. I religiously change water and clean stuff out though. I like to think its a stress free environment with the exception of my 6-line wrasse constantly attacking my flasher wrasse. So its not the end of the world to live with ich. many people do.

This is what I used to tell people as well...and it still is for the most part.

The blue tang had shown ich in my 75g multiple times...a friendly reminder to start giving him a little selecon and do the overdue h2o change.

This time it was different. Full blown cysts in less than a week. Fish would have died had I not torn down the tank, and when you get a case like that, who knows what it takes with them.

Religious h2o changes are part of my religion as well, and I think it definitely helps remove some of the parasites (I do weekly 20g change, and it is all through a gravel vac)

We will see. No one has external parasites, but some respiration rates are higher than I would like to see. The scars and HLLE from QT are an ugly reminder to me every time I look at my tangs. I could kill myself over it. (Not really, but that is how I feel.)

Once again - I will NEVER order fish thru the mail, those trips are often too stressful for the fish to handle. I couldn't begin to count how many FW Cudas and Vampire Tetras I lost to Ich over the years due to transport and they weren't mailed. These fish are just as sensitive as any SW fish perhaps thats why they are just as expensive.

Love those fish, and someday Ill have some. I will mail order again. It wasnt the stress that did him in, it was a strange case. I have mail ordered many times, sent others fish, sent myself fish, and never had an issue.

The issue here was that I was sold a fish and not told that it had been shipped. I actually wasnt even told that I had a fish, and was promised that they would show it to me before shipping - which they never did.

The death of the chevron, and the QT disfigurement of the other tangs could have been prevented had the seller done his job.

 

[nonstophoops]

Maybe, maybe not on him doing his job. You are right that there has to be more to it. I have gotten my fish from them and knew they were coming and had lots of problems too. I think there is a combination of things with PIA. The water quality of his holding tanks are a big issue I think. Nothing like a QM or Fosters setup with perfect water.

I will definitely do mail order again too, but not thru PIA. If they come from good conditions and are boxed and shipped properly then there shouldn't be problems.