Geophagus ID please

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My LFS has this Geo. It is labelled as a threadfin, but I dont trust this lfs for id-img gheir stuff right.
It's about 2.5 inches long.
I am interested and would be great if someone can id and if possible, figure the gender too.

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I agree with Ryan, below is a thread fin at about 2.5".

The problem with using common names, is that any Geophgine that gets trailer type fins can be called a thread fin.
Could be Acarichthys heckelli, adult below

Or just about any one from the altifrons group.

I've also seen LFSs call many Geophagines, "pearl cichlids".
 

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Thanks folks!
Can you give some tips on how you id them usually? The basic - 'what to look for' stuff. I have seen posts about the lateral lines, number of spots etc., but nothing clear.

Also, I assume sexing at this size is gonna be difficult?
 
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Here is a young red head Tapajos (maybe) I had.
IDing is quite complicated because some of the differences can be minuscule.
I use either the Cichlid Room Companion (cichlidae.com) or the book South American Eartheaters by Weidner as species guides, SAEartheaaters however, is about 20 years old, so many Geo's that were considered location variants at the time, have been officially described and are now legitimate species, and more have been added.
And telling gender when young is also difficult. Males sometimes have a different cranial profile, that I recognize only when I see a pair together.
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Identification is a combination of:

- presence/absence of a preopercular mark and/or infraorbital stripe

- size/location of the midlateral spot

- coloration

- presence/absence and number of vertical bars and their configuration (some have bifurcated bars, G. dicrozoster has a Y bar, etc.)

- tail patterning

- country of origin (if known)

Some are easier to identify than others.
 

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Besides the more analytical cues mentioned above, there's a certain degree of I know one when I see one with some species, especially if you've had them before. That said, certain features, as mentioned above, point you in one direction or another.

Don't know its size, guessing 3" by comparing it with the other fish, in any case the one in the photo looks most likely female to me. And if you put a gun to my head, after a second look I'm thinking not red head Tapajos, at least not pure, based on the middle bar running through the side blotch as opposed to the double bar running on either side of the blotch common in red heads.
 
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