Holes in fish?

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Has anyone ever seen this before? I lost my whole angel shipment to this, and i'm trying to figure out what happened.

First of all, this was my 40g QT tank. Bare-bottom, lucky bamboo, giant duckweed, lava rock, artifical plant, 12 watt internal filter filled with established biomedia positioned at the back and output flow pointing upwards.
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My params were right on and if they weren't, i'd know what to do. I added 7 angels shipped from Asia, and decided to QT 2 from another store at the same time. This might have been my mistake, I don't know? Although the 2 other fish were the healthiest ones....

The first thing I noticed was a pinhole in the middle of the dorsal fin. I thought it was a pinhole tear from fighting and didn't think much. Then I saw this one was not eating well (but pretending) and died within a couple days. The next day I noticed an actual hole in the body of another fish :eek3:
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This one actually lived the longest with the symptom.
And yet another had a small pit mark on its head.
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Over the next couple months, I lost one angel by one. I notice they would lose appetite, i'd see little pinholes or larger holes anywhere on the body or fins about the same time and they just get weaker until they die (usually a couple days). I also observed whitish stringy poop.

For treatment I fed Epsom salts in a food soak because I thought it might be Hex. But when I saw the hole in the body, and the Esalts didn't have much effect, I suspected something else.

So as a desperate move, I treated the tank with methylene blue and salt (sodium chloride). It's not helping, but I don't have access to fish meds. I continued to lose my fish one by one until now I'm down to 1 fish.

Last fish is looking good but I think they are good, then all of a sudden I lose another.

Any insight as to what I was dealing with? I have never seen anything like this.
 
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Has anyone ever seen this before? I lost my whole angel shipment to this, and i'm trying to figure out what happened.

First of all, this was my 40g QT tank. Bare-bottom, lucky bamboo, giant duckweed, lava rock, artifical plant, 12 watt internal filter filled with established biomedia positioned at the back and output flow pointing upwards.
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My params were right on and if they weren't, i'd know what to do. I added 7 angels shipped from Asia, and decided to QT 2 from another store at the same time. This might have been my mistake, I don't know? Although the 2 other fish were the healthiest ones....

The first thing I noticed was a pinhole in the middle of the dorsal fin. I thought it was a pinhole tear from fighting and didn't think much. Then I saw this one was not eating well (but pretending) and died within a couple days. The next day I noticed an actual hole in the body of another fish :eek3:
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This one actually lived the longest with the symptom.
And yet another had a small pit mark on its head.
View attachment 1418841

Over the next couple months, I lost one angel by one. I notice they would lose appetite, i'd see little pinholes or larger holes anywhere on the body or fins about the same time and they just get weaker until they die (usually a couple days). I also observed whitish stringy poop.

For treatment I fed Epsom salts in a food soak because I thought it might be Hex. But when I saw the hole in the body, and the Esalts didn't have much effect, I suspected something else.

So as a desperate move, I treated the tank with methylene blue and salt (sodium chloride). It's not helping, but I don't have access to fish meds. I continued to lose my fish one by one until now I'm down to 1 fish.

Last fish is looking good but I think they are good, then all of a sudden I lose another.

Any insight as to what I was dealing with? I have never seen anything like this.
Sorry for the loss I never seen anything like that on Angelfish.
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1st pic looks like an injury. 2nd pic looks like hith. Wouldn’t be surprised if the fish just were stressed. Maybe a pathogen was introduced with mixing of other angels. These are guesses. I’d try locally bred fish instead of imports if available.
 
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Sorry for the loss I never seen anything like that on Angelfish.
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Thanks tlindsey very much. I have an idea, but I want to know if anyone has any insight before I suggest something.
 
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1st pic looks like an injury. 2nd pic looks like hith. Wouldn’t be surprised if the fish just were stressed. Maybe a pathogen was introduced with mixing of other angels. These are guesses. I’d try locally bred fish instead of imports if available.
Thank you! Idk, but the hole got bigger. She also had spots on her head that looked like HITH. Two other angels got holes in their face (side of face) like the first pic. All the marks got bigger. Here is a pic of the hole when it got worse, but the tank was already treated with mblue.
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Plus I saw a pinhole in the fin more than once.

I did a epsom salt food soak against HITH, added Boyd's vitachem to the food and water with no improvement whatsoever.
Something got in I think but don't know how with a b-b QT tank and every other day water changes. I really tried with these guys.
 

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1st pic looks like an injury. 2nd pic looks like hith. Wouldn’t be surprised if the fish just were stressed. Maybe a pathogen was introduced with mixing of other angels. These are guesses. I’d try locally bred fish instead of imports if available.
If it helps, a pic of the poop, this angel I lost a couple days ago.
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This one slowly became emaciated and eventually stopped eating and died in 2 days. Before that it was acting nice and fiesty (but not aggressive so that they hurt eachother) with the platinum paraiba (the one left). The last fish I lost was a blue silver pearlscale and this one hung out more on its own with just the 3 angels in there. I guess it was antisocial for about a week, but I thought it was bc the other two were bickering and playing so much.

When I first got them in (the ones from Asia) their fins were all worn down, but they grew in quickly. I don't normally bring in fish from across the world, but I had my heart set on blue angels and they are just not available in my area. But never again. From now on i'll be satisfied with regular phenotypes. Thank you.

In hindsight, I ordered and expected pinoy angels, I got no pinoy, 3 blue silver pearlscales and 4 silver pearlscales. I didn't even get the fish I wanted!
 
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Couldb be hexamita since it looks clear. Wouldnt be surprising to get both in stressed fish.
 

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Couldb be hexamita since it looks clear. Wouldnt be surprising to get both in stressed fish.
Ok tx. It's what I suspected as well, but with the holes in the body I was on the fence.

On another forum, bacteria was suggested as the problem, namely aeromonas.

For the survivor, do you suggest anything? Watch and wait? I can't get Metro, but I have some old stuff in the fish cabinet. I was hoping epsom salts, garlic and vitamins would treat it but didn't help. Do I need Metro?

I was hesitant to order bc I couldn't confidently ID at the time and idk where even to try ordering from since meds are not available in my country.
 

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Ok tx. It's what I suspected as well, but with the holes in the body I was on the fence.

On another forum, bacteria was suggested as the problem, namely aeromonas.

For the survivor, do you suggest anything? Watch and wait? I can't get Metro, but I have some old stuff in the fish cabinet. I was hoping epsom salts, garlic and vitamins would treat it but didn't help. Do I need Metro?

I was hesitant to order bc I couldn't confidently ID at the time and idk where even to try ordering from since meds are not available in my country.
Hard to say exactly as to which but ulcers and wounds on the body would be suggestive of Aeromonas. Although nowadays it’s a pic and no definitive way of knowing. It’s a guessing game w/o culturing.

As far as the survivor. If it’s eating, acting normal and poop looks normal then I’d say wait it out. If ya doing the opposite then treat.

Id still suggest ordering some meds just in case. Especially if u keep cichlids. Potential hexemita/bloat, hith and ich are common in the fish disease section when posted.
 

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Here is a pic of the hole when it got worse, despite my every other day WCs, and the tank was already treated with mblue.
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And I see now she also had white/clear poop in the pic. All of them had stringy poop except the 2 platinum paraiba. The one platinum passed away while the mblue was in the tank, so I didn't get the best look or a pic, but it looked like nodules all around the perimeter of the body and seaping into the fins like the body was uneven. A platinum angel is already white so it looked like the edges of the body were uneven. Something else I've never seen. The last angel to pass had a similar looking nodule on its face, but only one. Wish I had a pic of the nodule thing, but instead of a pit, it was like a white/light pimple.
 
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