Piranha caught in South FLA .. This wont help the cause...

[MN_Rebel]

Hello; While you may chose to dismiss or belittle the impact of a non-native species, in this case a python, the fact remains that finding an endangered species in the stomach contents is concrete evidence of predation.
The fact that feral cats, other predators or habitat destruction may also be impacting the native endangered species does not change the additional impact of a non-native/exotic predator such as the pythons that should not be in the environment in the first place.
With a much reduced population of the endangered native rodent taken into consideration, it becomes even more significant that even small numbers are victims of predation by an exotic predator. While it is not conclusive that finding two in the stomach of pythons indicates that the pythons may have some particular ability to catch them, it does raise the question. One of the problems an exotic species, in this case a predator, presents is that the native species it is able to prey on will often not have a natural defense developed on a long period of time.

Whats up with Hello in every post?

Once again, you failed to do your research on the specific so-called invasive species like I asked you to do. Pythons may feeding on these endangered species but NOT THAT MUCH and they are NOT only predators that's eating these rodents. If these rodents were able to co-existed with the native snakes, then they shouldn't have any problems with pythons which are no different from the native snakes. It's not like that pythons will wipe out whole populations of rare rodents. As I said before, these rare rodents are NOT one of the python's main food items.

 

[skjl47]

Whats up with Hello in every post?

Once again, you failed to do your research on the specific so-called invasive species like I asked you to do. Pythons may feeding on these endangered species but NOT THAT MUCH and they are NOT only predators that's eating these rodents. If these rodents were able to co-existed with the native snakes, then they shouldn't have any problems with pythons which are no different from the native snakes. It's not like that pythons will wipe out whole populations of rare rodents. As I said before, these rare rodents are NOT one of the python's main food items.

Hello; Please review my post, this is addressed.

 

[skjl47]

Whats up with Hello in every post?

Once again, you failed to do your research on the specific so-called invasive species like I asked you to do. Pythons may feeding on these endangered species but NOT THAT MUCH and they are NOT only predators that's eating these rodents. If these rodents were able to co-existed with the native snakes, then they shouldn't have any problems with pythons which are no different from the native snakes. It's not like that pythons will wipe out whole populations of rare rodents. As I said before, these rare rodents are NOT one of the python's main food items.

hello; This implies that all snakes make their living in the same manner. If this were true there would be little, if any difference between one kind of snake or another. however, there is a great variation among the species of snakes in both physical traits and behavior and this helps account for why there are so many different species. One species of snake is in ways different from another. In an natural area there can be a lot of different native species of snakes with each carving out a niche. Over time the native prey species develope ways deal with the native predators so that a balance becomes established. This can be behavorial as well as physical adaptation.
When an exotic species gains a reproductive foothold in an area it can possess some physical or behavorial trait(s) that give it an advantage over the native speciess it is able to use as prey.

 

[skjl47]

Whats up with Hello in every post?

Once again, you failed to do your research on the specific so-called invasive species like I asked you to do. Pythons may feeding on these endangered species but NOT THAT MUCH and they are NOT only predators that's eating these rodents. If these rodents were able to co-existed with the native snakes, then they shouldn't have any problems with pythons which are no different from the native snakes. It's not like that pythons will wipe out whole populations of rare rodents. As I said before, these rare rodents are NOT one of the python's main food items.[/QUOTE]

Hello; This is understood. If the rare rodent in question was a main invasive python's food source, then there would be far fewer of the snakes. If i recall correctly, several posts back in this thread you challenged us to present specific evidence about the impact of three invasive species under discussion. A member of the forum has done so about the pythons.

 

[nightzshadow]

Whats up with Hello in every post?

Once again, you failed to do your research on the specific so-called invasive species like I asked you to do. Pythons may feeding on these endangered species but NOT THAT MUCH and they are NOT only predators that's eating these rodents. If these rodents were able to co-existed with the native snakes, then they shouldn't have any problems with pythons which are no different from the native snakes. It's not like that pythons will wipe out whole populations of rare rodents. As I said before, these rare rodents are NOT one of the python's main food items.

Your statement about invasive snakes being no different from native snakes is false. For one a native snakes population is kept in check by having predeators of their own, however invasive species have no natural predators. Secondly native snakes dont reach the size these invasive species reach so they are easily pushed aside by these larger predators. You have to remember these are fragile ecosystems and any imbalance will cause the collapse of it. (before anyone says anything these imbalances could be from invasive species, human cause (overfishing etc), pollution, natural disaster, weather, etc)

 

[MN_Rebel]

Your statement about invasive snakes being no different from native snakes is false. For one a native snakes population is kept in check by having predeators of their own, however invasive species have no natural predators. Secondly native snakes dont reach the size these invasive species reach so they are easily pushed aside by these larger predators. You have to remember these are fragile ecosystems and any imbalance will cause the collapse of it. (before anyone says anything these imbalances could be from invasive species, human cause (overfishing etc), pollution, natural disaster, weather, etc)

Once again, there are predators that do prey on pythons (aka alligators, pumas, large birds, non-native monitor lizards etc), but they are not natural predators lol. Large pythons simply switch the prey items to bigger prey items (raccoons, rabbits, cats, oppossums, smaller alligators etc) and they do not share same prey items with smaller native snakes. To my knowledge there are no large native snakes that feeding on raccoon-sized items. You have to remember that most reptiles eat less than warm-blooded animals as they have a meal once in a while. Cats and other warm-blooded animals must be fed everyday unlike snakes.

 

[MN_Rebel]

Whats up with Hello in every post?

Once again, you failed to do your research on the specific so-called invasive species like I asked you to do. Pythons may feeding on these endangered species but NOT THAT MUCH and they are NOT only predators that's eating these rodents. If these rodents were able to co-existed with the native snakes, then they shouldn't have any problems with pythons which are no different from the native snakes. It's not like that pythons will wipe out whole populations of rare rodents. As I said before, these rare rodents are NOT one of the python's main food items.[/QUOTE]

Hello; This is understood. If the rare rodent in question was a main invasive python's food source, then there would be far fewer of the snakes. If i recall correctly, several posts back in this thread you challenged us to present specific evidence about the impact of three invasive species under discussion. A member of the forum has done so about the pythons.

So far there are zero evidence that pythons have negative impacts on the ecosystems. You should visiting in Exotic Animals thread more often. It's just a media trying to scare you by give you misinformed facts. There was never any negative impacts at all.

 

[skjl47]

So far there are zero evidence that pythons have negative impacts on the ecosystems. You should visiting in Exotic Animals thread more often. It's just a media trying to scare you by give you misinformed facts. There was never any negative impacts at all.[/QUOTE]

Hello; Aside from all else that has been said to the contrary, there is indeed was negative impact on at least two of the endangered rodents mentioned in this thread alone. That may not be a great deal to you but to my way of thinking it does not equal zero. In a population of an estimated 300 or so remaining the demise of even two individuals is an issue. When populations get to such low numbers the species is approaching extinction. Even without additional predation numbers that low result in very limited gene pool and any loss is significant.
Again let me remind that I did not come by this point of view from being manipulated by "a media".
I do not post on this thread with any delusions that you would be swayed. It is clear where you stand.

 

[MN_Rebel]

So far there are zero evidence that pythons have negative impacts on the ecosystems. You should visiting in Exotic Animals thread more often. It's just a media trying to scare you by give you misinformed facts. There was never any negative impacts at all.[/QUOTE]

Hello; Aside from all else that has been said to the contrary, there is indeed was negative impact on at least two of the endangered rodents mentioned in this thread alone. That may not be a great deal to you but to my way of thinking it does not equal zero. In a population of an estimated 300 or so remaining the demise of even two individuals is an issue. When populations get to such low numbers the species is approaching extinction. Even without additional predation numbers that low result in very limited gene pool and any loss is significant.
Again let me remind that I did not come by this point of view from being manipulated by "a media".
I do not post on this thread with any delusions that you would be swayed. It is clear where you stand.

So you have a problem with a young python ate two endangered rodents, yet you do not have any problem with feral cats or native snakes eating same endangered rodents? I believe that the woodland mouse is in trouble from habitat loss, not invasive pythons. It is unlikely that a cold-blooded reptile will wipe out whole endangered rodent populations. Now I ask you for last time, do some serious research on the invasives and their behavior.

Now I ask you a question: which one that eat most rodents? A cat or a python?

 

[rgonzales]

So you have a problem with a young python ate two endangered rodents, yet you do not have any problem with feral cats or native snakes eating same endangered rodents? I believe that the woodland mouse is in trouble from habitat loss, not invasive pythons. It is unlikely that a cold-blooded reptile will wipe out whole endangered rodent populations. Now I ask you for last time, do some serious research on the invasives and their behavior.

Now I ask you a question: which one that eat most rodents? A cat or a python?

+1 i always thought it was funny that the pythons are killed on site but people catch the feral cats fix them an rerelease them. Also funny how cats are allowed to roam freely