Question about Barbs

[GiantFishKeeper101]

I bought 2 species of barbs/carps recently. Dunno where to post the thread so I decided to put in General Discussion.

Phoenix Barb - How fast can they grow? Does these guys have different grade? Seen some 18" specimen have less red pigment some others have pinkish coloration



Tor Mosal - Bought labelled as Tor mosal, I can't find any information on this guy, it seems like it doesn't exist. Do they really grow this slow? How to distinguished them between other Indian Tors?

 

[Mitchell The Monster]

thebiggerthebetter

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

I bought 2 species of barbs/carps recently. Dunno where to post the thread so I decided to put in General Discussion.

*****https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/forums/other-monster-fish.20/

Phoenix Barb - How fast can they grow? Does these guys have different grade? Seen some 18" specimen have less red pigment some others have pinkish coloration

*****They grow moderately, just as you are showing with yours. Nice specimen. I am not familiar with grades. I don't think they exist. The variance in color can be a function of numerous variables - diet, gender and sexual maturity, mood, season, size. IDK if 18" is sexually mature. The pink on yours will start coming in later.

Tor Mosal - Bought labelled as Tor mosal, I can't find any information on this guy, it seems like it doesn't exist. Do they really grow this slow? How to distinguished them between other Indian Tors?

*****Mosal Mahseer seems a synonym for Copper Mahseer, per the list I've found a while ago https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/thai-golden-mahseer-in-4500-gal-14.680024/ ...
... aka Neolissochilus hexagonolepis https://www.fishbase.se/summary/12125

Yes, they grow slow, but faster initially, then perhaps several inches a year. ID is beyond me for the most part of many look-alike mahseer species. IDK if I could even distinguish this one from Tor soro, which is in a different genus. The taxonomic limbo doesn't help either.

kendragon headbanger_jib

 

[kendragon]

Wow that barb is a fatty.

 

[GiantFishKeeper101]

thebiggerthebetter so the mosal are not Tor sp, they're Neolissochilus sp. In Malaysia we call Tor sp "kelah" & Neolissochilus sp as "Tengas". That's how we differentiate between mahseer species.

These are the ways to differentiate them, left are Tor, right is Neolissochilus.



It's weird for me because I checked the fish, it's lack of thicken lip & have no protruding upper mouth tip, but I can't search anywhere info on the mosal so I rely on it's name to be some kind of Tor species?... But, thanks for your help, now I know

kendragon yes, I like my fish fat because who doesn't like bigger & fat fish pet Lol

 

[thebiggerthebetter]

Thank you for the tip on the differentiation. Appreciate it.

Mosal seems cryptic and largely unknown. So, IDK what to make of its association or equivalency with the Copper mahseer / tengas. You are saying yours is a Neolissochilus sp. That's consistent at least. Seems Ken doesn't know either. Let's wait for Jib to chime in, I'd propose, before jumping to any tentative conclusions.

What happened to your self-imposed laser-sharp focus on piraiba? Eroding already?

 

[AquaDERP]

Judging by the Juv shape and number of them I've seen. I guess it's N.Soroides and T.douronensis

 

[GiantFishKeeper101]

thebiggerthebetter nope, just wanna test keeping them, that's all. In Malaysia, I'm surrounded with mahseers & their fanatics, also some super red were exported to US. But for a monster fish keeper, mahseer sp definitely different. Certainly would not try them again LOL.

Yes, it is wise to wait for jib to chimed in. Mosal are his native fish, need expert opinion.

AquaDERP it comes from Indian mahseer shipment. Out of Khudrees, there's this weird one he said, he rarely seen. I trust him since he's seller & collectors of mahseers, but I need other opinions.

N. soroides inhabits lower Mekong to Malaysia, we native called it "kejor". I'm not gonna talk about colors as they have different colors on different location, from bronze/copper to bluish/green.

Tor douronensis inhabits Borneo & (debatable) Malaysia

 

[kendragon]

Here's mine......



Tor Mosal also called Copper Mahseer and Yellow Mahseer (not Neo Hex)

T. Mosal is a synonym of the golden mahseer.

T. Mosal (Hamilton 1822) Has big eyes.
Barbus T. Mosal (Macdonald 1943) Dedicate yellow shade below more yellowish than gold.
T. Mosal Mahanadicus (David 1953) Smaller eye than T. Mosal (Ham.) Dorsal fin reddish orange and other fins yellowish orange.
T. Mosal (Kulkarni 1979) Discovered in Mahanadi basin.

 

[GiantFishKeeper101]

Here's mine......

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Tor Mosal also called Copper Mahseer and Yellow Mahseer (not Neo Hex)

T. Mosal is a synonym of the golden mahseer.

T. Mosal (Hamilton 1822) Has big eyes.
Barbus T. Mosal (Macdonald 1943) Dedicate yellow shade below more yellowish than gold.
T. Mosal Mahanadicus (David 1953) Smaller eye than T. Mosal (Ham.) Dorsal fin reddish orange and other fins yellowish orange.
T. Mosal (Kulkarni 1979) Discovered in Mahanadi basin.

According to fishbase, hexa are copper mahseer. There're too many golden mahseer sp around, can't be use as reference

Tor mosal in local collectors care. Had to steal the vid LOL, that's why the video's name like that





This one in seller's care, 9-10"