Regular midas & Cream Midas ??

[Asianboi]

Greetings folks,

Just trying to get some answers from fellow hobbyists. What's difference between regular midas & cream midas cichlids ??? Is cream midasa molted version of regular midas or it's an entire different morph avail out there. Morever, if i breed a pair of cream midas, does the fry all comes out as cream ??? Thanks in advance bois !!

 

[Abominus]

Greetings folks,

Just trying to get some answers from fellow hobbyists. What's difference between regular midas & cream midas cichlids ??? Is cream midasa molted version of regular midas or it's an entire different morph avail out there. Morever, if i breed a pair of cream midas, does the fry all comes out as cream ??? Thanks in advance bois !!

welcome to MFK

 

[duanes]

All of the Amphilophus genus (which midas is from) have the ability to produce many different color morphs (many cichlids do).
Some are creme, some are striped, some black, some yellow.
Color doesn't make them different species, although depending on what Nicaraguan lake they come from, can suggest different species

Above left A flaveolus found in Lake Apoyo, above right A amarillo, only found in Lake Xiloa.
To know for certain which species you have, knowing which lake its ancestors were caught in its an important factor.
But not only with Amphilophus
Below is Chuco intermedia both shots are the same species, but each from different rivers.

Another example below

Above is Andinoacara coerleopunctatus caught in the Rio Chagres river system
Below, Andinoaara coerleopunctatus I caught in the Bayano river system, only about 15 miles to the east, but separated perhaps a million years by geographic and topographical barriers.

 

[Asianboi]

welcome to MFK

thanks bro !!!!

All of the Amphilophus genus (which midas is from) have the ability to produce many different color morphs (many cichlids do).
Some are creme, some are striped, some black, some yellow.
Color doesn't make them different species, although depending on what Nicaraguan lake they come from, can suggest different species
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Above left A flaveolus found in Lake Apoyo, above right A amarillo, only found in Lake Xiloa.
To know for certain which species you have, knowing which lake its ancestors were caught in its an important factor.
But not only with Amphilophus
Below is Chuco intermedia both shots are the same species, but each from different rivers.
View attachment 1529193View attachment 1529194
Another example below
View attachment 1529195
Above is Andinoacara coerleopunctatus caught in the Rio Chagres river system
Below, Andinoaara coerleopunctatus I caught in the Bayano river system, only about 15 miles to the east, but separated perhaps a million years by geographic and topographical barriers.
View attachment 1529196

The origin of the river they are from would be near impossible for me to find out since i just source them from my local fish exporter. Is there a way to identify them when they are juvy ?? I found out cream midas is very easily identifiable at young age.

 

[cich78]

thanks bro !!!!

The origin of the river they are from would be near impossible for me to find out since i just source them from my local fish exporter. Is there a way to identify them when they are juvy ?? I found out cream midas is very easily identifiable at young age.

To answer your question to the best of my ability., 'Creamcicle' midas are what we can generally speaking say are regular midas that happen to have the 'Creamcicle 'coloration out of the several possible color variations other than Barred that a midas complex species specimen can have.( particularly but not limited to.the often seen soild orange, or a mixture of orange or red and white )Although there are different species wthin the midas species complex color alone is not what makes them a different species or type, those midas complex species that are known to change color have the ability to produce different color variations regardless. .All midas complex species fry start out with a plain silver and or Barred pattern.In the wild of their natural waters about 10% of the individuals of some Midas complex species have a color changing gene which if present then their offspring will change at some point to one of the various color possibilities.In terms of Aquarium specimens It is basically random what color they turn while at the same time somewhat predictable if you know what the parents looked like .In my experience when i bred one parent orange with one white a percentage came out orange a percentage white and a percentage a mixture of both colors. I have recently bred a 'Creamcicle' male with a solid orange female and have fry that are less than 2 inches and are a little over 2 months old, only one looks like it's beginning to color change out of about 100 fry. It's difficult right now to tell exactly what color it's going to be other than knowing that they all are going to change at some point and a percentage be 'Creamcicle. Out of a group with unknown parents
You could only really pick one out that has a chance at likely being Creamcicle If you already see those colors starting to develop at a small size.....

 

[Sinister-Kisses]

They're just different colour morphs of the same species. Creamsicle refers to a "piebald" midas that is orange and white (splotchy). I'm not entirely sure of the genetics and how they're passed on, but I can tell you the one spawn I had from two creamsicle parents all stayed regular solid orange until they were about 5" in size when I rehomed them all. None were creamsicle despite both parents being so.

 

[cich78]

That's interesting that none of yours came out Creamcicle from Creamcicle parents... I somewhat know of the mechanisms behind the color change and have an idea of why that might be... Nevertheless these fish really are kind of like a box of chocolates so to speak Where you don't know for sure what you're gonna get ..There's a particular range of possible color morphs and that's about all you can be sure of ... I know the color change in addition to what seems to be random on the colors are can sometimes take place spontaneously years later after not taking place early on.
I can say that my Creamcicle male came from Ken Davis F0 Creamcicle male ,also mine that is mostly white except for red on his fins( which I believe the female F 1 female Ken Davis bred from looked that way indicating that Creamcicle spawn other Creamcicle but apparently as in your case not always or at least not right away if at all..). .. Here is a blurry screenshot from a video that Ken davis posted of his male to show him to me , along with my Creamcicle male when he was about 3 inch and a recent pic of him and my mostly white one which came from the same spawn..... Which also illustrates 2 that came from the same spawn that do not look exactly the same.......

 

[dmyersWv]

I believe both would fall under Amphilophus Citrinellum. They can be solid orange, white, barred, or orange and white. I have gotten all from the same spawn.