Tank Mates For Red Fin Borleyi?

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hey everyone, i've got a 75 gallon tank with 1 male copadichromis borleyi and 4 females. I'm curious is i can do 2 breeding groups in the tank. One group would be the Borleyi's...what other species of hap or peacock would be a good choice to have another breeding group of in the tank and not run the risk of hybridization...if this detail helps, I'll be upgrading to a 125 or 150 gallon once i get to plumbing re done in my basement.
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ime red finnned boreyli's can be agressive. I would try any of the ob peacocks since they are on the same agression level.
 
This was a very good question... i knew the answer but i looked it up to explain it better.. i did have a couple of types and both bred true.. the boreyli's and venustus in the same large african tank..Mouth-brooding African cichlid mating occurs something like this: the male digs out a cave (nest) for the female and lures her in by doing this silly fin shaking dance (there's also a disturbing "kissing" version). She lays her eggs in the nest and he fertilizes them. Then she picks up the eggs in her mouth and carries them until they hatch.

The eggs will hatch between 10-15 days after fertilization. The female then hold the babies in her mouth for up to two more weeks, occasionally letting them out to feed them. Most new mothers will start releasing the babies about 2 weeks after you notice they are carrying them, but will suck them back in when danger threatens. New mothers also have very small batches of eggs: around 10 or so. A mature female will have up to 30 eggs.

The male fish has no part in the care and raising of young, and may happily eat the babies if he is present when they are released. I suggest a 10-15 gallon tank for the mother and babies. Make sure the new tank is fully cycled and give it lots of tiny hiding places for the babies. You can also try providing small hiding places for the baby fish in your main tank, but in my experience the adult fish find ways to eat the babies.

If you intend to breed your fish, you should only get one species from any given genus. So for instance you might have 5 Pseudotropheus socolofi and 5 Melanchromis chipokae, but you wouldn't want to get any more Pseudotropeus or Melanochromis. Sometimes Mbuna of the same genus but different species will interbreed and the offspring are either ugly, sterile or both. I don't follow this rule with my tank, but I pay attention to which fish are breeding and only save the fry from same-species pairings. Also, I've found that if you provide a male and at least one female of each species, you don't have to worry as much because the fish do prefer their own species.

In order to be sure you get at least one male and one female, I recommend getting four or five fish of each species and then if you accidentally get two males, selling the one you like the least back to the pet store as soon as it starts displaying its male coloration. Mouth-brooders like to be in a harem of the same species: one male and three or four females. The male will boss the females around but won't hurt them. Two mature males will shred each other until one dies
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Thanks for all the good info, so basically as long as whatever second species I choose isn't in the Copadichromis family, I won't have to worry much about cross breeding? For instance I could do borleyi's and breed OB Peacocks or some other peacock species? Or in a larger tank I could breed both borleyi and venustus with having to worry about hybridization ?


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Thanks for all the good info, so basically as long as whatever second species I choose isn't in the Copadichromis family, I won't have to worry much about cross breeding? For instance I could do borleyi's and breed OB Peacocks or some other peacock species? Or in a larger tank I could breed both borleyi and venustus with having to worry about hybridization ?


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you should not have to worry about hybridization.. just have enough females with one male of each.. as far as not having any problems among them with bullying etc i don't think that you will encounter any.. but africans are a moody aggressive bunch.. so it is not written in stone either.... every once in awhile there is a male who is extra aggressive especially with his girls around.. more girls though of his species.. will keep him busy and preoccupied. Venustus and boreyli's seem to be a good match as tank mates.. both are gorgeous colors .. and both get big..... mine do great together..
 
you should not have to worry about hybridization.. just have enough females with one male of each.. as far as not having any problems among them with bullying etc i don't think that you will encounter any.. but africans are a moody aggressive bunch.. so it is not written in stone either.... every once in awhile there is a male who is extra aggressive especially with his girls around.. more girls though of his species.. will keep him busy and preoccupied. Venustus and boreyli's seem to be a good match as tank mates.. both are gorgeous colors .. and both get big..... mine do great together..

Awesome! That is a combo that I really want to try. Borleyi and Venustus are 2 of my favorite Malawi haps. Could I start off a group of young borleyi and young Venustus in my 75 gallon tank? Once I get the plumbing squared away in my basement, I'm going to get a 125 or 150 gallon that I could move them into


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Awesome! That is a combo that I really want to try. Borleyi and Venustus are 2 of my favorite Malawi haps. Could I start off a group of young borleyi and young Venustus in my 75 gallon tank? Once I get the plumbing squared away in my basement, I'm going to get a 125 or 150 gallon that I could move them into


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yesthat tank would be ideal to start. .. a few of each species about the same size would {young} would be ideal.... then you will have to wait and see if you get a male of each species...hopefully not more then one .,.lol..... when you check out the young ones try and see if one is showing off any color.. that would probably turn out to be the male.. Male venustus have beautiful gold face and blues .. try and get the venustus a little smaller if possible.. raising them i found they grow pretty fast while the boreyli's grow slower.... and you want them to be near even size as they mature.. both males get to be 6 -7 inches.. i will see if i can get a pic of mine and show you them.. i don't breed them anymore..my males are old..
 
yesthat tank would be ideal to start. .. a few of each species about the same size would {young} would be ideal.... then you will have to wait and see if you get a male of each species...hopefully not more then one .,.lol..... when you check out the young ones try and see if one is showing off any color.. that would probably turn out to be the male.. Male venustus have beautiful gold face and blues .. try and get the venustus a little smaller if possible.. raising them i found they grow pretty fast while the boreyli's grow slower.... and you want them to be near even size as they mature.. both males get to be 6 -7 inches.. i will see if i can get a pic of mine and show you them.. i don't breed them anymore..my males are old..

That would be awesome if you sent me some pics I'd love to see them! How long do you think they could stay in the 75 gallon? Lets assume I ended up with one male of each species along with 4 females of each species... How long could they all stay in my 75 before I'd need to get a larger tank ready?


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That would be awesome if you sent me some pics I'd love to see them! How long do you think they could stay in the 75 gallon? Lets assume I ended up with one male of each species along with 4 females of each species... How long could they all stay in my 75 before I'd need to get a larger tank ready?


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they would be fine in a 75 for a year or more even 2 years.. just make sure water is pristene.. and water changes done consistently.. most important for growing and health and breeding. Keep in mind though when they start breeding.. you will need more grow out tanks for babies.. also do you have a place to sell the offspring.. you can easily get over run with them .. you can always decide to do an all male tank of various beautiful africans without all the hassel... and all males usually get along fine.

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View attachment 874069View attachment 874070View attachment 874071 they would be fine in a 75 for a year or more even 2 years.. just make sure water is pristene.. and water changes done consistently.. most important for growing and health and breeding. Keep in mind though when they start breeding.. you will need more grow out tanks for babies.. also do you have a place to sell the offspring.. you can easily get over run with them .. you can always decide to do an all male tank of various beautiful africans without all the hassel... and all males usually get along fine.

Ok cool, I've always fed my cichlids New Life Spectrum as the main part of their diet, and every Wednesday I do 40% water change & gravel vac. With this combo, how quickly can I expect these guys to grow? And yes I have thought about an all male tank but I've decided against it because I e always loved breeding cichlids it's so fascinating, plus I work at my local fish store so I have plenty of usual customers that would be interested in fry and whatnot


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