Turquoise/Green Sev?!

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Boose1357

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These people at my LFS have been trying to argue me down that these are two different fish and I have always heard that is not the case. So I basically hope im right bc ive been chewin' them out for the past 4 days to lower the price. They are saying since its a Turquise instead of a green its gonna go for more. Its a full grown awesome looking sev as well.
So I went up there today and talked them down from $120 to $80 and bought it. Sound like a decent price? My brother has my cam so I cant post a pic just yet but soon as he gets off around 5 or 6 im posting some! thx for any feedback.
 
There are two species of fish:

Heros Efasciatus

and

Heros Severum

The latter is not as common in the hobby as the former. The problem with common names is both of these species are refered to as green severum.

As far as the LFS goes, they may be trying to market it to get more money for it, and they might be justified in doing this if it is a more unique morph. Or they could be bs'ing.

In my expierence, Heros Efasciatus is most commonly called the Turquoise/ Red Faced-Turqiouse/ Green Severum.

Most people that have Heros Severum and know what they have, will call it True Severum, or True Green Severum.

Post pics as soon as you can, someone will be able to tell you what you have.
 
elting44;4562881; said:
There are two species of fish:

Heros Efasciatus

and

Heros Severum

The latter is not as common in the hobby as the former. The problem with common names is both of these species are refered to as green severum.
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Oh alight. Well Ima get some pics today so let me know what I picked up. Heres a pic I found on the net that looks identical to the one I just bought.
http://www.bestfish.com/fish/greensevl.jpg
 
Arguing about common names of fish is just plain stupid, eltin44 is right (apart from capitalising the species name), although there are other species in the genus Heros.

There are also a lot of hybrids out there, and the common green severums that are found in the hobby, having been captive bred for countless generations are almost certainly not true H. efasciatus. The fish of yours IMO looks to be a hybrid, it has the bright anal fin of a rotkeil but none of the red colour on the cheeks.
 
David R;4562997; said:
eltin44 is right (apart from capitalising the species name), although there are other species in the genus Heros.
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I did not know that it was against naming conventions to capitalize species names! :( thank you for pointing that out!
 
elting44;4563053; said:
I did not know that it was against naming conventions to capitalize species names! :( thank you for pointing that out!
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The actual species name is Heros severus, not Heros severum. You also have Heros efasciatus, Heros notatus, and supposedly Heros spurius, though no one seems to know what it is or have it.

Heros severus is a mouthbrooding fish and is not to be confused with what we know as green severums in the hobby, which are Heros efasciatus, either 100% of partially. The tank-bred varieties are likely mutts as efasciatus, notatus, and rotkeils will all interbreed. The mouthbrooding types don't appear to interbreed with the rest -- mine shows no interest in spawning with my other severums. You can see a picture of her in my avatar.

It is true that turquoise severums and green severums were once separate. Turquoise severum was the common name for Heros appendiculatus, which has since been combined with H. efasciatus if I recall correctly.

It's just my opinion, but not all greens are the same, and there are some severums who are truly darker with more blue. I have one in my tank. Even as fry they are different from greens -- greens tend to be more brown/tan in color as juvies while the turquoise tend to be gray. So scientifically they may be listed as the same fish, but there are a couple distinct color morphs if that's the case.

Like David mentioned, the picture posted appears to be a mutt. The fish looks like efasciatus, but it has the bright red rotkeil anal fin. "Turquoise" severums tend to be much darker with true blue color rather than green. Here's mine:

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ryansmith83;4563587; said:
The actual species name is Heros severus, not Heros severum. You also have Heros efasciatus, Heros notatus, and supposedly Heros spurius, though no one seems to know what it is or have it.

Heros severus is a mouthbrooding fish and is not to be confused with what we know as green severums in the hobby, which are Heros efasciatus, either 100% of partially. The tank-bred varieties are likely mutts as efasciatus, notatus, and rotkeils will all interbreed. The mouthbrooding types don't appear to interbreed with the rest -- mine shows no interest in spawning with my other severums. You can see a picture of her in my avatar.

It is true that turquoise severums and green severums were once separate. Turquoise severum was the common name for Heros appendiculatus, which has since been combined with H. efasciatus if I recall correctly.

It's just my opinion, but not all greens are the same, and there are some severums who are truly darker with more blue. I have one in my tank. Even as fry they are different from greens -- greens tend to be more brown/tan in color as juvies while the turquoise tend to be gray. So scientifically they may be listed as the same fish, but there are a couple distinct color morphs if that's the case.

Like David mentioned, the picture posted appears to be a mutt. The fish looks like efasciatus, but it has the bright red rotkeil anal fin. "Turquoise" severums tend to be much darker with true blue color rather than green. Here's mine:
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Cool, thanks for lesson, great info!!! :headbang2
 
man i gotta go get this cam today man. i need yall to see the exact one I have and give me some feedback on him/her. pics will be up tonight!
 
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