Uaru Fernandezyepezi-Panda Uaru Issues

  • We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo

Festae Forever

Piranha
MFK Member
Nov 23, 2007
100
182
76
Palm Springs, CA
Thought about making the title here Unsuccessfully Keeping Uaru Fernandeznonoteasy or The Gremlin Uaru.
Read on to see why.

Recevied 4 Uaru fernandezyepezi a week and half ago. One is about 5.5 inches and the other three are about 4 inches. For the first day they seemed happy and in fact ate immediately. They were behaving, well like cichlids. Then from day two they have acted like fish stressed to the max. Firstly the water parameters. Where I live in southern California the water is beyond hard and alkaline, so I've been forced to use nearly 100% R/O water. I have added Kent R/O right to in order to add back minerals and achieve stability. Here's my latest water test results. PH 6.6 (Came from seller's water that was 6.8), Ammonia 0ppm, Nitrite 0ppm, Nitrate 0ppm, KH 30ppm, Temp 81 degrees. I really have gone more out of the way for good water quality than I have for any other freshwater fish I've ever kept and I've been fishkeeping for a long time.

They arrived to me a bit later than anticipated because they came down with the "white slime" that is not unusual for wild specimens. The person I got them from treated them and was really excellent about making sure they were "right" before he would ship them. They were eating immediately and aside from tattered fins to be expected, were in good shape. On the dreaded day 2 they started hovering in the corner together, pectoral fins whipping away and gasping. I continued to test the water 3 times a day to be sure I was not missing anything. Polyfilter, Carbon, Nitrazorb and 4 API Water Softening Pillows (I know overkill) were all added at some point to keep things perfect. After reading a post here from someone taking a crack at keeping fernandezyepezi for the 2nd time, I started playing around with some non water issues. Firstly, the brightness of my Hagen GLO light fixture was clearly not agreeing with them (no bright lights, hence the Gremlin reference), so it was shut off. Secondly I had two forms of filtration, a hang on the back wet/dry and a HOT Magnum. At one point I shut them both down and while they were still shy/nervous, their behavior definitely improved a bit.

To bring things up to date I now have lighting on their 75 gallon that is really meant for a 20 gallon. The HOT Magnum was removed and the outlet on the wet dry was pointed in toward a corner to cut down the flow. I have ordered an Eheim modular spray bar which enables you to rotate the bar in up to three directions. It is due here on Monday. I plan to hook it to the pump of the wet dry and remove the spout style outlet. This should spread out and minimize the flow a bit. Today I added six 3" Denesoni (Roselines), to hopefully help settle them in a bit and they are doing great. Now, the one kicker. They Uaru's eat very well and really have not refused a thing I have offered to them. They have been kept on a vegetarian diet of mostly "Repashy" and Spirulina. However they are also happy to suck down Bloodworms (twice a week). Feeding IS NOT a problem.

Unfortunately, these fish just are not happy and now spend 95% of their time behind my piece of show driftwood. Any sound advice or suggestions are most appreciated. Please keep in mind that I must go out to get my R/O water at the cost of 20 cents a gallon, so doing more than a large water change once a week probably isn't in the cards. I'm already planning on spending over $10 a week just for their water alone before I treat it with R/O Right. I fear I might have to look to selling them to someone who has easy access to water that better suits them (though I don't want to). Please chime in if you can help and thanks.
 
I have wanted them for years, but my tap water comes 7.5, and they prefer a pH of 5.0.
When they become available as tank raised, I might consider pandas, but sensitive wild ones with a high price are beyond me.
You might try using rain water, and hanging peat bags in filters. A tannin tint might help with making them comfortable, and a school of tetras as dithers might also help.
Good luck, I hope you can acclimate them and more.
Oops just saw your location, I doubt the rain idea is in your cards.
 
A couple of people e-mailed me to ask that I update this post. Things are progressing in a good way, but slowly. The fernandezyepezi appear to be getting slightly more interested in exploring. They continue to pound down food, mostly Spirulina flake like crazy. Actually I can't believe how much I feed them and how much they eat. Huge, huge appetites. They are still REALLY SHY and only really venture out at chow time, although they are definitely starting to show some good old cichlid aggression. Because of the increased feeding I have added 4 Brochis splendens in addition to the Roselines. Both of these species appear to have been good choices for tankmates. The Roselines keep things moving along in the mid/top region and the Brochis are nicely catching food due to the increased feedings that gets to the bottom. One bothersome thing is these fish breathe at a very hard/fast rate. The Eheim spray bar has yet to arrive, but will be installed upon arrival on Thursday and hopefullly will help this a bit. Perhaps I'll do another post then. I'm still not 100% comfortable with how they are, but I now at least feel like there are some baby steps in right direction.
 
That's great news, to just keep them alive is golden.
I use venturi tubes in my riverine cichlid tanks, for those such as Tomocichla or Chuco which seem to require a higher oxygen content.
The venturi tubes increase surface aggitaion and flow, which in turn increases oxygen saturation.
012-1-1.jpg

The 1 above is attached to a line from a pump, or most powerheads have a similar option.
013-1.jpg
 
I have wanted them for years, but my tap water comes 7.5, and they prefer a pH of 5.0.
When they become available as tank raised, I might consider pandas, but sensitive wild ones with a high price are beyond me.
You might try using rain water, and hanging peat bags in filters. A tannin tint might help with making them comfortable, and a school of tetras as dithers might also help.
Good luck, I hope you can acclimate them and more.
Oops just saw your location, I doubt the rain idea is in your cards.

I agree with Duanes here. What I do with my daemons (same river), I put Eheim Torf Pellets in my AC110s and put a bunch of Almond Leaves in a media bag and threw them in the tank for a nice tannin. I wouldn't say this will help, but it definitely shouldnt hurt.

I have never owned Pandas, but dont have the water for it. But I am subbed to learn more. Hope all goes well and definitely keep us posted.
 
Wow man I have toyed with the notion of getting these for years now as I love the normal Uarus and the attraction to the Panda is a no brainer. However after reading your thread they seem to be an unreal pain in the *** and while I can easily keep them this is the reason I dislike Discus. The beauty for me is not worth the annoying headache which comes along with them. You seem to have covered almost all the basics and then some with these guys. I don't really have anything to add advice wise other then saying good luck and these are off my want list moving forward
 
Tannic acid will help. You could get regular peat moss and put it in a nylon stocking or filter bag and put it in the filter or in the current path. The dark stained water will make them feel much more comfortable. I have P. Altum and Hekel discus both were acclamated to 6.8 Ph tap water over a 2 month period by using muratic acid & peat moss.
 
Great looking Uaru and best of luck with them. I'm in agreement with Tom ^^. Some Indian almond leaves and some peat to the water to get some tannins (maybe a nice big piece of un-leached Malaysian driftwood?) should make them feel a little more at home.
 
MonsterFishKeepers.com