What do we know about growth rate of piraiba (Brachyplatystoma filamentosum)?

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There have been a few relatively recent threads where we as a community reached a consensus that the true piraiba (neither B. capapretum, nor some alleged but never shown hybrid) can be expected to grow at an astounding rate reaching 2' in 6 months, 4" a month, in adequate care.

In a large part, we thought that this is how we can also distinguish B. filamentosum from other look-alikes, like capapretum, supposed hybrids, undescribed Brachie spp.

Or so I gathered.

Having been speaking to Wesley Wong recently, I have come to realize that I could have been wrong.

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I'm proposing MFK huddle up and at least put together the growth rate data in this thread that:

[1] we did observe with true piraibas from the firsthand experience, and

[2] we may know from verifiable, trusted sources with references included.

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I do realize, as Wes pointed out, that the growth rates are subjective and may and do vary a lot ... but there must be a bell-shaped graph of distribution of observed growth rates and such a thing as an objective, mean, and expected growth rate, which is obtainable with enough data points. Thus, maybe, just maybe, we may start getting a better understanding if we all chip into this effort.

Surely, there may not be enough data at the moment because this fish is seldom kept but this means there is room to keep chipping away at the issue.
 
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I think wes is probably one of the few people who could dig up a decent sample size. I can't offer much help but would suggest tagging anyone who's kept one, even short term keeping can be considerable here.
 
Too many variables- type of food, how much fed, quality of water and size of tank, temperature, oxygen content, lost goes on. No way of getting an accurate scale. Based on max size alone it should have a pretty fast growth rate like all large fish/animals
 
Can we use data on Brachyplatystoma rousseauxii as a surrogate? It's reportedly in the same sub genus and gets to a pretty substantial size (190 cm.) Not as long, but it would possibly have similar growth curves.

The reason I mention it is that there is growth data on rousseauxii. Obviously, it isn't the exaxt same, nor necessarily perfect. Just tossing out a thought.

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Castelnau_1855_in_the_Caqueta_River_Colombia

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1679-62252013000300637&script=sci_arttext
 
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Can we use data on Brachyplatystoma rousseauxii as a surrogate? It's reportedly in the same sub genus and gets to a pretty substantial size (190 cm.) Not as long, but it would possibly have similar growth curves.

The reason I mention it is that there is growth data on rousseauxii. Obviously, it isn't the exaxt same, nor necessarily perfect. Just tossing out a thought.

https://www.researchgate.net/public..._Castelnau_1855_in_the_Caqueta_River_Colombia

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1679-62252013000300637&script=sci_arttext

I've grown a B. Rousseauxii from 2" - 14" in a few months. Not RTC-eqsue growth for that span of time but nevertheless, FAST. It grew with my TSN and was able to keep up just fine.
 
There have been a few relatively recent threads where we as a community reached a consensus that the true piraiba (neither B. capapretum, nor some alleged but never shown hybrid) can be expected to grow at an astounding rate reaching 2' in 6 months, 4" a month, in adequate care.

In a large part, we thought that this is how we can also distinguish B. filamentosum from other look-alikes, like capapretum, supposed hybrids, undescribed Brachie spp.

Or so I gathered.

Having been speaking to Wesley Wong recently, I have come to realize that I could have been wrong.

###############################################################

I'm proposing MFK huddle up and at least put together the growth rate data in this thread that:

[1] we did observe with true piraibas from the firsthand experience, and

[2] we may know from verifiable, trusted sources with references included.

################################################################

I do realize, as Wes pointed out, that the growth rates are subjective and may and do vary a lot ... but there must be a bell-shaped graph of distribution of observed growth rates and such a thing as an objective, mean, and expected growth rate, which is obtainable with enough data points. Thus, maybe, just maybe, we may start getting a better understanding if we all chip into this effort.

Surely, there may not be enough data at the moment because this fish is seldom kept but this means there is room to keep chipping away at the issue.

I've got a couple of friends who were able to score B. Filamentossum a few months back. I would've scored one for myself but i haven't started with my 20 footer yet. I'm very much in touch with them and would update on their behalf.

There was a 2 foot "Filamentossum" from Venezuela which came in but were around 2000 USD. It didn't look like the piraiba we usually google up. Its a tad bit darker with A LOT of spots. i'll try to dig up some photos of it.
 
diet plays a big role, in Asia, they use a tremendous amount of live gold fish, dojo loach, and whole fish are cheaper. From what I've seen that all leads to tremendous growth rates, for example goliath tigers, there are many over 20-30" range ones in Asia. Almost none in the US in that category.

Also we use to speculate that certain fish growth will be inhibited due to the higher concentration of waste, hormones or dissolved solutes. In nature it makes sense if water is drying up, they should stop growth to converse energy and avoid out growing the pool and dying. Certain fish are not sensitive or subjected to this evolutionary adaptation, and will keep growing, regardless of the water condition. So maybe they do not have this genetic coding turned on. Like arapaima, red tail catfish, black pacu, will grow until they cannot swim and their bodies are bent.

One prime example is S. rhombeus, S. manueli, these largest of piranhas, will almost never reach full potential in the aquarium. I've seen 20 year old ones only reaching a mere 12-13" when in the wild they're frequently found over 16" big and they appear to be young.

Chromobotia macracanthus - a popular fish, clown loach. Will almost never reach 12" in the aquaria in less than 10 years. and never reach 16" in the home aquaria. In the wild, I've heard of 20 plus inch ones. In the home aquaria if you feed them more they just grow fatter, not longer.
 
All of this is fair and agreeable. But it is only one side of the coin. We'd never have anything definitive to say if we thought only like that Gotta step back and look at the bigger picture.

For instance, anyone who knows or had RTCs would not hesitate to state the expected average growth rate. If your 2" RTC does not hit ~2' in 1 year, something's wrong with it or the care.

The bell shaped curve demonstrates and accounts for all the variability. Surely if the curve is squashed so much that its max barely rises above x axis, that's horrific variability but if the curve does resemble an actual bell, that's nice.
 
My B.filamentosum was 20cm/8" TL when i first got him in late january,now hes pushing 35cm/14" TL, diet on market fish, but once didnt eat for a whole week due to stress from tank transfer image.jpeg
 
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