Rocio Octofasciata, Rocio Ocotal, And Rocio Gemmata
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That's just it, I think they are all Jack Dempsey's.
But I am interested in the Rocio ocotal's color differences.
And wouldn't mind finding a few of them.
Spike
Anybody has a large male Haitian Cichlid for breeding if so please text at 862.216.6998.
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The two new species (and the Rocio genus) came from: Schmitter-Soto, Juan Jacobo. 2007. "A systematic revision of the genus Archocentrus (Perciformes: Cichlidae), with the description of two new genera and six new species". Zootaxa. n. 1603, pp. 1-78.
According to Cichlid Room Companion (http://www.cichlidae.com/gallery/genus.php?id=256)
Comments: With the description of this genus two more species were described to the otigical Rocio octofasciata, both with a microbhabitat distribution, Rocio gemmata and R. ocotal, which although with an offered diagnosis, could prove to be either ecological (R. gemmata) or geographical (R. ocotal ) variations. Concheiro et al (2006) using Cytochrome b comparissons consider R. octofasciata one of the oldest species for Central American cichlids.
I tend to agree with Duane: splitters can "see" many different species (and describe them) while lumpers can see variations of a single species. "Species" is a man-made concept anyway. What is "real" is that many cichlids can vary considerably throughout their distribution (and even within a single location). For aquarists, the best thing to do is to keep track of location provenance...as failing to do so results in loss of the (possibly) unique characteristics of a particular population.
Matt
According to Cichlid Room Companion (http://www.cichlidae.com/gallery/genus.php?id=256)
Comments: With the description of this genus two more species were described to the otigical Rocio octofasciata, both with a microbhabitat distribution, Rocio gemmata and R. ocotal, which although with an offered diagnosis, could prove to be either ecological (R. gemmata) or geographical (R. ocotal ) variations. Concheiro et al (2006) using Cytochrome b comparissons consider R. octofasciata one of the oldest species for Central American cichlids.
I tend to agree with Duane: splitters can "see" many different species (and describe them) while lumpers can see variations of a single species. "Species" is a man-made concept anyway. What is "real" is that many cichlids can vary considerably throughout their distribution (and even within a single location). For aquarists, the best thing to do is to keep track of location provenance...as failing to do so results in loss of the (possibly) unique characteristics of a particular population.
Matt
And a friendly disagreement it is Matt.
And if I had the 2 variants/species, I would not let Ocotal and gemmada breed with each other, because, the fact is, I may be in error.
As I would not have H. carpintus Chairel mix with any other variant for the same, and other reasons.
And just in case anyone thought I still have the male hait in my avatar, I traded him last year, for a pair of beani.
And if I had the 2 variants/species, I would not let Ocotal and gemmada breed with each other, because, the fact is, I may be in error.
As I would not have H. carpintus Chairel mix with any other variant for the same, and other reasons.
And just in case anyone thought I still have the male hait in my avatar, I traded him last year, for a pair of beani.
Couldn't agree more, Duane - one person's different varients are another's different species 
What is a different varient is even a really difficult question to answer! (But I'd suggest that different trade names doesn't equal different varients)
Matt
What is a different varient is even a really difficult question to answer! (But I'd suggest that different trade names doesn't equal different varients)
Matt
Couldn't agree more about trade names.
I do appreciate when locations are added, but only if they are legitimate.
I find calling carpintus a Texan is a bit odd, because they are not endemic to Texas at all.
Cyanoguttatum is a different story.
Tacking on some cutesy monicker like "Mexican princess" or "species purple", also tends to make me a bit suspicious.
BTW, You going to Indy Matt?
I do appreciate when locations are added, but only if they are legitimate.
I find calling carpintus a Texan is a bit odd, because they are not endemic to Texas at all.
Cyanoguttatum is a different story.
Tacking on some cutesy monicker like "Mexican princess" or "species purple", also tends to make me a bit suspicious.
BTW, You going to Indy Matt?
