oohhh, so close.yours is probably a lutino as well.
Red eyes is albino ( that's how I learned ) its the same with other animals in the albino form
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my albino oscar is not an albino oscar but a lutino oscar? wtf? O.O
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Red eyes is albino ( that's how I learned ) its the same with other animals in the albino form
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hhhmm, well, i found out in OscarFishLovers. yeah, and u'll see tht all of them are pure white right?
I have never seen an albino oscar...
This one looks albino, if it didn't have black fins!
Wait.... It has black fins?? Im confused
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yup, well some oscars will have this and some will not. it's fun though watching their fins get darker as they grow.
here's mine.
I had an Oscar a while back that did this. Was all white when I got him, and then some orange came in, and then some black on the fins. It was really cool to watch. His orange got lighter from tail to head though, it was a weird fade. Yours is a nice looking tiger lutino though. Gonna be nice when larger
Your both correct and I'll explain why and cite more then one site's article.
Flowerhornfishman you tend to get a little flustered when ever I try share the benefit of my knowledge. Surprising since not long ago you where thanking me for helping you differentiate Red Devils from Flowerhorns among other things and now counter every thing I say in a thread you are in. I'm not sure if it's because you think I'm trying to belittle you by expressing what I believe or know but I can assure you that's not my intent.
With that said I'll try and help you understand why you can't find any what you call true albino Oscars and hope you take it for what it is, me trying to help. You can't find what you call Albino O's in google because what you describe or think is Albino is actually a Leucistic Oscar which is rarer then an Albino. Here's a pair of what you consider true albino O's which in reality are Leucistic Oscars.
Except they are actually Leucistic Oscars as that's how they are labeled in the Oscar Fish Photo Galleries http://www.oscarfish.com/gallery/ma...um&g2_keyword=Leucistic+oscar&g2_itemId=13922
Here's another pic of Leucistic Oscars
Albinism is a genetic defect that makes the body incapable of producing melanin, not all pigment. Albinism is most easily distinguished visually from Leucism by an animal presenting with red eyes in fish and certain other animals the color of the animal appears off white rather then true white. The eyes appear red/pink due to the lack of melanin which makes the red of the underlying blood vessels and retina visible through the iris. As such an animal can still present with color but not any melanin based colors so the Albino Oscars even Albino Tiger Oscars with all that red coloration on the body are indeed albinos, hence the names Albino Tiger Oscar.
Sometimes a Albino Oscar will present with dark fins, this is a secondary genetic defect presently unnamed but similar to what Python breeders call the Piedbald. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/piebald/ Piebald is a recessive trait that is partially un-pigmented with variable color and pattern mutations. Below are two examples of the trait being expressed. In an Oscar the trait like in the snakes is expressed by certain parts of the body being colorless while others retain the original color and pattern of their wild counterpart.
Leucism is a condition in which all pigment is reduced not just melanin. As such they often present with normal colored eyes, this is because the melanocytes of the RPE are not derived from the neural crest, instead an outpouching of the neural tube generates the optic cup which, in turn, forms the retina. As these cells are from an independent developmental origin, they are typically unaffected by the genetic cause of leucism while in Albinism it is affected. If you see an Oscar devoid of color(meaning being white) and the iris of the Oscar is black then the Oscar is Leucistic not Albino.
Here's several links that explain the differences between the traits specifically in Oscars.
Lutino definition http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/lutino
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Lutino Essentially a lutino is a name hobbyists gave to any albino bird that expressed higher concentrations of yellow in their body. Since it's introduction some have now started using that term for Oscars exhibiting the same trait. It has no scientific basis and is just like any other common name at least that's to my knowledge as even when you google lutino as a term you hard pressed to find a definition.
A specific article talking about Albinism, Leucism in Oscars
http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/oscars/58-what-are-albino-and-lutinos.html
and another
http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/oscars/57-albino-vs-lutino.html
Wiki definition of Albinism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism
Wiki definition of Leucism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucism
The internet is full of incorrect info. and you have to at very least double check anything you read with other articles otherwise you can be misled. I hope what I've linked for you helps clear things up or at least are food for thought.
Your both correct and I'll explain why and cite more then one site's article.
Flowerhornfishman you tend to get a little flustered when ever I try share the benefit of my knowledge. Surprising since not long ago you where thanking me for helping you differentiate Red Devils from Flowerhorns among other things and now counter every thing I say in a thread you are in. I'm not sure if it's because you think I'm trying to belittle you by expressing what I believe or know but I can assure you that's not my intent.
With that said I'll try and help you understand why you can't find any what you call true albino Oscars and hope you take it for what it is, me trying to help. You can't find what you call Albino O's in google because what you describe or think is Albino is actually a Leucistic Oscar which is rarer then an Albino. Here's a pair of what you consider true albino O's which in reality are Leucistic Oscars.
Except they are actually Leucistic Oscars as that's how they are labeled in the Oscar Fish Photo Galleries http://www.oscarfish.com/gallery/ma...um&g2_keyword=Leucistic+oscar&g2_itemId=13922
Here's another pic of Leucistic Oscars
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Albinism is a genetic defect that makes the body incapable of producing melanin, not all pigment. Albinism is most easily distinguished visually from Leucism by an animal presenting with red eyes in fish and certain other animals the color of the animal appears off white rather then true white. The eyes appear red/pink due to the lack of melanin which makes the red of the underlying blood vessels and retina visible through the iris. As such an animal can still present with color but not any melanin based colors so the Albino Oscars even Albino Tiger Oscars with all that red coloration on the body are indeed albinos, hence the names Albino Tiger Oscar.
Sometimes a Albino Oscar will present with dark fins, this is a secondary genetic defect presently unnamed but similar to what Python breeders call the Piedbald. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/piebald/ Piebald is a recessive trait that is partially un-pigmented with variable color and pattern mutations. Below are two examples of the trait being expressed. In an Oscar the trait like in the snakes is expressed by certain parts of the body being colorless while others retain the original color and pattern of their wild counterpart.
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Leucism is a condition in which all pigment is reduced not just melanin. As such they often present with normal colored eyes, this is because the melanocytes of the RPE are not derived from the neural crest, instead an outpouching of the neural tube generates the optic cup which, in turn, forms the retina. As these cells are from an independent developmental origin, they are typically unaffected by the genetic cause of leucism while in Albinism it is affected. If you see an Oscar devoid of color(meaning being white) and the iris of the Oscar is black then the Oscar is Leucistic not Albino.
Here's several links that explain the differences between the traits specifically in Oscars.
Lutino definition http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/lutino
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Lutino Essentially a lutino is a name hobbyists gave to any albino bird that expressed higher concentrations of yellow in their body. Since it's introduction some have now started using that term for Oscars exhibiting the same trait. It has no scientific basis and is just like any other common name at least that's to my knowledge as even when you google lutino as a term you hard pressed to find a definition.
A specific article talking about Albinism, Leucism in Oscars
http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/oscars/58-what-are-albino-and-lutinos.html
and another
http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/oscars/57-albino-vs-lutino.html
Wiki definition of Albinism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism
Wiki definition of Leucism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucism
The internet is full of incorrect info. and you have to at very least double check anything you read with other articles otherwise you can be misled. I hope what I've linked for you helps clear things up or at least are food for thought.
hmm, im speechless man.
well, it sure does explains everything. guess i have to agree with you. thanks again though for tht long explanation.
Your both correct and I'll explain why and cite more then one site's article.
Flowerhornfishman you tend to get a little flustered when ever I try share the benefit of my knowledge. Surprising since not long ago you where thanking me for helping you differentiate Red Devils from Flowerhorns among other things and now counter every thing I say in a thread you are in. I'm not sure if it's because you think I'm trying to belittle you by expressing what I believe or know but I can assure you that's not my intent.
With that said I'll try and help you understand why you can't find any what you call true albino Oscars and hope you take it for what it is, me trying to help. You can't find what you call Albino O's in google because what you describe or think is Albino is actually a Leucistic Oscar which is rarer then an Albino. Here's a pair of what you consider true albino O's which in reality are Leucistic Oscars.
Except they are actually Leucistic Oscars as that's how they are labeled in the Oscar Fish Photo Galleries http://www.oscarfish.com/gallery/ma...um&g2_keyword=Leucistic+oscar&g2_itemId=13922
Here's another pic of Leucistic Oscars
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Albinism is a genetic defect that makes the body incapable of producing melanin, not all pigment. Albinism is most easily distinguished visually from Leucism by an animal presenting with red eyes in fish and certain other animals the color of the animal appears off white rather then true white. The eyes appear red/pink due to the lack of melanin which makes the red of the underlying blood vessels and retina visible through the iris. As such an animal can still present with color but not any melanin based colors so the Albino Oscars even Albino Tiger Oscars with all that red coloration on the body are indeed albinos, hence the names Albino Tiger Oscar.
Sometimes a Albino Oscar will present with dark fins, this is a secondary genetic defect presently unnamed but similar to what Python breeders call the Piedbald. http://www.worldofballpythons.com/morphs/piebald/ Piebald is a recessive trait that is partially un-pigmented with variable color and pattern mutations. Below are two examples of the trait being expressed. In an Oscar the trait like in the snakes is expressed by certain parts of the body being colorless while others retain the original color and pattern of their wild counterpart.
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Leucism is a condition in which all pigment is reduced not just melanin. As such they often present with normal colored eyes, this is because the melanocytes of the RPE are not derived from the neural crest, instead an outpouching of the neural tube generates the optic cup which, in turn, forms the retina. As these cells are from an independent developmental origin, they are typically unaffected by the genetic cause of leucism while in Albinism it is affected. If you see an Oscar devoid of color(meaning being white) and the iris of the Oscar is black then the Oscar is Leucistic not Albino.
Here's several links that explain the differences between the traits specifically in Oscars.
Lutino definition http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/lutino
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Lutino Essentially a lutino is a name hobbyists gave to any albino bird that expressed higher concentrations of yellow in their body. Since it's introduction some have now started using that term for Oscars exhibiting the same trait. It has no scientific basis and is just like any other common name at least that's to my knowledge as even when you google lutino as a term you hard pressed to find a definition.
A specific article talking about Albinism, Leucism in Oscars
http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/oscars/58-what-are-albino-and-lutinos.html
and another
http://www.oscarfish.com/article-home/oscars/57-albino-vs-lutino.html
Wiki definition of Albinism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albinism
Wiki definition of Leucism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leucism
The internet is full of incorrect info. and you have to at very least double check anything you read with other articles otherwise you can be misled. I hope what I've linked for you helps clear things up or at least are food for thought.
I couldn't have explained that better myself but there's one thing I don't quite agree with and that's that these are leucistic. From my experience with snakes, leucistic is the lack of all pattern as well. If you look at the pics you showed of the piebald ball pythons and other pics online, the part where it's all white is completely lacking any remnant of patterning at all making it solid white whereas the first pic of the platinum oscars you showed, you can still see the pattern even though it's white on white. I'm not sure about the second one but from the pic, it does appear to be a true leucistic. So I still believe that those oscars are a double recessive of albino and anerytheristic making it a "snow" in the reptile world. A true leucistic would be solid white with no patterning whatsoever.
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Lol! Sorry I am extremely long winded but hopefully thorough in my explanation.
Hard for me to say definitively whether your right or not though I totally understand your point. As in the example you mentioned the Snow is definitively produced by breeding Albino and Anery to get the pattern effect on a white snake while the Leucistic that I have seen are indeed pattern less I'm not sure it translates exactly to fish. It's why I say believe in some instances and why I say know in others. Perhaps I should have been less definitive in my statement above as to the identity of the Oscars I used as examples. I just used what they where labeled as in the pics, Platinum and Leucistic perhaps a bad assumption on my part. So I'll say I believe your correct but cannot say definitely due to my lack of certainty about fish genetics in regards to Anerythristic and Ablinism and it's effects on the fish and pattern.
Snow Boa pic just because it's so sexy
