Imperial Line Festae

[fishfanatic80]

Who outside of the select community would know what the lineage name means, it's a name that basically carries no weight. Say you buy this imperial fry and breed it to sell outside of this community no one will know the lineage. When people name their own lineage it adds to the confusion. This has been a wide spread topic in forums especially in the reef hobby.

 

[Woefulrelic]

Unless the mama is part of some imperial lineage I don't think you can call this pair a line. It would be no different from buying two flower horns from PetSmart and calling them imperial flower horns. Now you could argue the fry are your line, but usually people would just call them festae until you've actually line bred some desirable traits. What your attaching to these fish are a brand name as opposed to a name that distinguishes any unique features imo.

 

[ehh]

this is the first i ever hear of people talking about linages and fish. but really... who cares? I'm sure oriqua (anch) doesn't remember me but he is a cool guy and every fish I've seen him put out is quality. as long as he's not changing the species name or advertising them as something that they're not then i really don't see whats so bad about it. its basically a brand name... not sure whats so confusing about that. its a shame he only have 800 posts since 2010. he really could contribute to the forum.

 

[BlesOne]

One can argue takes longer to explain lol

good looking pair

How so?

 

[oriqua]

Well to each is there own Pet smart people complain about lineage because they buy petsmart quality.
Thanks for looking , Imperial Line is two unrelated parents. Anyhow thanks for stopping by. To the supporters thank you.

 

[fishfanatic80]

this is the first i ever hear of people talking about linages and fish. but really... who cares? I'm sure oriqua (anch) doesn't remember me but he is a cool guy and every fish I've seen him put out is quality. as long as he's not changing the species name or advertising them as something that they're not then i really don't see whats so bad about it. its basically a brand name... not sure whats so confusing about that. its a shame he only have 800 posts since 2010. he really could contribute to the forum.

Well that's what creating a lineage is doing, your advertising them to be something they're not. People basically give them a name to hype them up or make them seem rare but essentially it's the same as the original fish. I'm not questioning the quality of his fish. Like previously stated describing them as super red or so forth is a characteristic discription that can be attached to a name since it's easy to distinguish. When you say a lineage no one knows what it means to be of that lineage outside of a small community. Most of the people who clicked on this post probably didn't know what imperial line means so I'd say yes that causes confusion as to what it means to just find out that's a self made name. Do you know how many slight variations there are in severums with barring, color and finage? If someone were to create a lineage for each one, the name there would probably have a thousand different name variations for severum so we stick to basic characteristic classification or location.

 

[fishfanatic80]

How so?

You should never need a name to be described to you when buying the fish. It should be simple and straight forward so anyone looking at it can know what it is. For example rio arapunis severum you know what collected from that river or super red severum you know to be super red straight forward and to the point so not only a small community knows what your talking about when you use a lineage

 

[BlesOne]

This is the type ignorance in the hobby that is responsible for the lack of growth in the hobby...honestly. Let me take the time to break down this foolishness if I can.

Well that's what creating a lineage is doing, your advertising them to be something they're not.

He labeled them as festae, are they not?

People basically give them a name to hype them up or make them seem rare but essentially it's the same as the original fish.

Wrong. The reason a name is given is to set their own fish apart from what's currently being sold in the hobby. Nothing wrong with that. Same reason why ppl give names at all, basically. Where do you get rare from?

I'm not questioning the quality of his fish. Like previously stated describing them as super red or so forth is a characteristic discription that can be attached to a name since it's easy to distinguish.

Once folks catch on to the lineage name after a while no one will question it. That's how things get started with bloodlines and lineages. Soon the hobby will know exactly what Imperial Line festae are and who they came from.

When you say a lineage no one knows what it means to be of that lineage outside of a small community.

This will change with time.. The quality of his fish and the name will answer that soon enough. So what's your point?

Most of the people who clicked on this post probably didn't know what imperial line means so I'd say yes that causes confusion as to what it means to just find out that's a self made name.

Again........

Do you know how many slight variations there are in severums with barring, color and finage? If someone were to create a lineage for each one, the name there would probably have a thousand different name variations for severum so we stick to basic characteristic classification or location.

First I doubt there's really that many variations of Severums, at least not in hobby. Sure there's s few like you said that have minor differences here and there but it's hardly enough to create confusion especially if people know the locations already... Secondly this statement doesn't apply to the thread as there's really only 2 known locations for festae as of today. If someone out there were to decide to create an exceptional line of Severums and chooses a name of his liking what's to stop him? What's the problem? Why hold back progress and change? The difference is really in the quality and genetics of the fish being shown...

Look it's fine if you're ok with receiving f4788432s festae as long as they tell you they came from Ecuador or Peru and were bred in some bat from 5th generation sibling pairs or whatever the case is. There's a clear differences in quality here and that's really all that matters, people who don't want to remain blind and in the dark as far were their fish came from deserve know their bloodline. The end.

 

[fishfanatic80]

Alright on that note I'll leave this thread, I'm gonna go look for my flynns flying fantastic blue frontosa, making a quick stop to petsmart later

 

[BlesOne]

You should never need a name to be described to you when buying the fish. It should be simple and straight forward so anyone looking at it can know what it is. For example rio arapunis severum you know what collected from that river or super red severum you know to be super red straight forward and to the point so not only a small community knows what your talking about when you use a lineage

What's wrong with asking questions and gaining knowledge? I'm sure Anch wouldn't mind telling people exactly what he's selling down to the original wild caught breeding pair.. For example the female he's using can be traced down 3 generations of new blood used and exactly who breeders were. The male is wild caught, meaning anyone that buys fry from him will be getting brand new blood previously not available to the hobby. Like I tried to explain to you already, soon enough people will know this guy's product well enough to stay informed about his line of festae.

As for your whole Severums argument it's really not worth discussing as it doesn't really apply to this and is just plain silly tbh.