Two vittatus African tigerfish, ~16", in 4500 gal

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Two vittatus African tigerfish, ~16", in 4500 gal, filmed Dec 2016.

These two are from an original quintet I got from Wesley Wong at ~3" in Summer of 2015, which were my first ever ATFs. I gave them a bare 240 gal of their own. They were skittish throughout most of their time in that 240 gal and I remember being very afraid to spook them, walking by as far as I could from the tank, making sure no light was turned on near them, approaching the tank like a sloth when I had to feed them, etc... Wes scared me that they may slam into a wall and kill themselves.

Little by little they took to cut thawed fish as a staple. Then they started taking Hikari floating sticks too.

At about 6"-7" they went into a 4500 gal, which was ~1 year and a few months ago. They relaxed greatly in there. Despite having left a nightlight on, there were only 4 the next morning. The smallest one was eaten by a tank mate in their first night in 4500 gal. In several months after that, one evening I haven't turned the tank light on in time after it got dark and the tank was in darkness for ~30-60 min, and sure enough, as I feared there were only 3 now. Another one was eaten. Albeit I still don't know by which tank mate.

After that, the three survivors did very well for a long while, reaching ~12". They never schooled anymore and there was a clear pecking order - alpha, beta, and gamma. I relaxed and stopped watching them closely, only to find out several months later that somehow there were only 2 left. I've no clue what happened to the gamma VATF but I suppose the other two might have been too harsh on it for too long. Their chasing is lightning fast but not prolonged, not relentless; it is rather occasional, so I thought the beta and gamma were relatively safe.

Anyhow, this is how I ended up with just these two.

Aug-Sept 2016, I bought two more VATF from Wes, which have been growing in a 240 gal community. The $$ was tight. I really needed to buy 6 or more. They came in at ~3" and are ~6" now, eating the same diet of catfish farm pellet and thawed fish. They weren't nearly as skittish as the first 5, perhaps because there were plenty of calm tank mates in with them producing dither effect.

IDK how or when I might be able to try and place these two with the original two, if ever. I too got six ~3"-4" GATF from Wes a couple of weeks ago. It'd be ideal if I could house all ATF together at some point.

But IDK how or when it'd be doable. Could anyone with relevant experience chime in?

 

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Beautiful collection!
 

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How do you ensure flow throughout and no dead spots in such a large setup?

Gorgeous vatf. If you manage to grow out a large gatf hopefully you don't have problems like the guy with he 40in gatf.
 

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This could all only be possible for me...in my dreams! Wow! Please post a feeding video.
 

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How do you ensure flow throughout and no dead spots in such a large setup?

Gorgeous vatf. If you manage to grow out a large gatf hopefully you don't have problems like the guy with he 40in gatf.
Don't think he has flow other than the filtration in his tank. Vatf in the wild aren't found in rapids AFAIK, I think that's gatf mainly. I watched a video of someone diving with vatf and it was calm water, another video of Jeremy Wade diving with them as well shows calm water.
 

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Don't think he has flow other than the filtration in his tank. Vatf in the wild aren't found in rapids AFAIK, I think that's gatf mainly. I watched a video of someone diving with vatf and it was calm water, another video of Jeremy Wade diving with them as well shows calm water.
I purely meant from a filtration stand point to make sure you are essentially filtering the entire tank effectively. Frankly I know very little about ATF and did not realize that vatf come from calm water.
 
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Beautiful collection!
In Russian there is a rhymed proverb: "A fisherman can see another fisherman from afar". Paraphrasing, a hoarder sees another hoarder from afar and appreciates their compliments... Haha. Thanks, John.

How do you ensure flow throughout and no dead spots in such a large setup?...
I directed the 20,000 GPH filtered water output across a diagonal and at 45 degrees to the bottom and hope for the best. Pretty scientific, huh? :) The tank's square but the corners are well rounded, which helps ward off dead or half-dead spots. Perhaps I should have directed the output along the walls for a circular motion. I truly don't know which'd be better and by how much. Kind of improvising here. Would appreciate anyone with knowledge, links, etc. to teach me.

This could all only be possible for me...in my dreams! Wow! Please post a feeding video.
Thanks! Save money. I'll sell it all to you as a turn-key or already-running business. :)

These are half a year old from Aug 2016 but all I have for now that show feeding:



Don't think he has flow other than the filtration in his tank. Vatf in the wild aren't found in rapids AFAIK, I think that's gatf mainly. I watched a video of someone diving with vatf and it was calm water, another video of Jeremy Wade diving with them as well shows calm water.
Interesting. Thanks Moe. I didn't know either. Still much to learn about ATF.

I purely meant from a filtration stand point to make sure you are essentially filtering the entire tank effectively...
Can't add much to what I already said above in this post. The water in the tank is stirred pretty well. The fish put in a tangible effort too, not that I am counting on them, just a bonus :) Ammonia is zero ppm (I draw water away from the high current). The tank receives also ~170 GPH = ~4000 GPD of fresh tap water (continuous 24/7 WC) at a good pressure coming out of a garden hose jet nozzle which is aimed along one of the walls for circular motion. It's not much but helps.

I am hoping to be taught. But I must warn, I ask a ton of questions.

... Gorgeous vatf. If you manage to grow out a large gatf hopefully you don't have problems like the guy with he 40in gatf.
Thanks, bro. What problems does he have? I am not on FB. Wesley Wong sent me the photo but IDK anything else at all. Where could I read about it other than FB?

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I purely meant from a filtration stand point to make sure you are essentially filtering the entire tank effectively. Frankly I know very little about ATF and did not realize that vatf come from calm water.
I'm sure there are many members that can chime in better about them than me. For all I know they travel miles and end up in rapids sometimes and calm waters during others.

And TBTB miss seeing updates on the jaus lol, can't wait for the write up on them
 

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thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter the most info not on facebook I guess is in the thread I created about it. Posted some pics of the tank and the victims. Pretty much it grew to 40in in a 4 year period and long the way has killed a bunch of fish including armatus, dorado, catfish, etc. He is not on MFK but a couple people posted that they knew him personally and maybe they can get you more information on his setup. He is also running a 4,000g tank.

Here is a link: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/40in-gatf.683336/

Are you russian? My twin and I both married russians, but my bro actually lived in moscow for a couple years. It also looks like my parents are going to be retiring to Naples which looks like where you are :)
 
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thebiggerthebetter thebiggerthebetter the most info not on facebook I guess is in the thread I created about it. Posted some pics of the tank and the victims. Pretty much it grew to 40in in a 4 year period and long the way has killed a bunch of fish including armatus, dorado, catfish, etc. He is not on MFK but a couple people posted that they knew him personally and maybe they can get you more information on his setup. He is also running a 4,000g tank.

Here is a link: https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/threads/40in-gatf.683336/

Are you russian? My twin and I both married russians, but my bro actually lived in moscow for a couple years. It also looks like my parents are going to be retiring to Naples which looks like where you are :)
Many thanks, bro. That this 40" GATF is a killer I fathomed. I appreciated learning that some GATF reach 3'+ in as short a time as 4-5 years and can be apparently much more aggressive than previously thought... or simply more aggressive than others.

I used to go by what I had read that ATF leave fish they don't consider food alone, that is large enough fish. Boy, has that blown up in my face just now...

I also appreciated the helpful discussion about the water current needed for ATF in here https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...to-create-ideal-current-for-atf.672585/page-2

FWIW, my genetic makeup is 4/8th Belarussian, 3/8th Russian, 1/8th Chinese :) But yes, I am a Russian for all intents and purposes. Made in USSR. How do you like them Russian wives, huh? ;) I got myself one too. :)

What's in your genes?

Naples, Italy or Naples, FL? There is a big difference! Just teasing yah. It'd be awesome to meet you and your family.
 
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