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Until I was about 6 years of age I spoke only Ukrainian, because both my parents were from there originally and they spoke it at home, and at the Ukrainian Orthodox church they attended, and at the Ukrainian-owned food stores and other retailers in the largely Ukrainian neighbourhood. When I started school, I was...despite being born only a few blocks away...totally lost and unable to communicate. My kindergarten teacher apparently visited my parents at home (!) shortly afterwards and said...and I'm sure my dad was paraphrasing when he told me this..."What the hell is wrong with you people? You're in Canada! Speak English!!!"

My parents did what came naturally for them; they overreacted to a ridiculous degree. All Ukrainian ceased at home immediately and completely; I heard only English (and not the best English...) going forward. Today, I can still understand virtually anything said to me in Ukrainian...but can't really speak any of it! So that places my language count at zero.

The Powers That Be decreed that as a good little Canuck I would learn French at school, and thus I endured French class from about grade three right through to the end of High School, grade 13. I got by but never really loved it, never felt fluent. So...still at zero.

I took three years of Latin during High School; I found it quite interesting and it definitely helped with other languages, and it was three easy credits. I did very well in that class, but of course I never had much chance to use it afterwards so it mostly faded away. Still zero.

I took 5 years of German in High School, and I loved the logical nature of that language. After 5 years of it, I was far more comfortable and fluent in German than I was in French despite having taken that for 10 years. German had rules and they were strict, with very few exceptions; French seemed like one big exception...few rules but lots of silly suggestions...a total free-for-all. To this day, I can still understand and speak German well enough that I can sort of claim it, maybe as a half-point? Woohoo! I speak half a language! :)

And finally, of course...there's English. I've always considered myself fluent in English...except, today, English is evolving pretty dang quickly, faster than I can keep up with it. The problem is that anyone can apparently just make up words and grammar and everyone else is apparently expected to simply accept this without question. New nouns and verbs are constantly popping up, to describe things and actions that never existed before. Contractions and short forms and even-shorter forms, because it's just way too much work to speak or type or...heaven forbid...write entire words and sentences. And pronouns! So many pronouns! And everybody now gets their own pronouns, because the dusty old set we once used just aren't sufficient anymore. You need your very own set of pronouns today, to illustrate just how unique and special you are...just like everybody else...

Even before all this nonsense, back when I thought I knew plain old English...I would periodically meet someone like, for example, Esox...who, practically by definition, does indeed speak English...and would realize that I didn't have a clue what he or she or it or they or ze or zir was actually saying. There's nothing quite like watching a movie or news clip showing people speaking English...and having to enable the sub-titles to understand what's going on! :)

So, if I'm being honest, I must admit that I don't really speak anything sufficiently well to claim I'm fluent in it.

Oh, dear...😟
 

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I know that John is always pulling my leg over how I "talk", but he's never actually heard me talk!! And there's the thing. He has a way better grasp over the English language than I have and so it's easy for him, and many others I guess, to pick me up on my "style" through reading my posts alone!! And that is quite a skill.

Even my missus mocks me regularly. She pronounces words totally different to me. I think I'm right on some words, she thinks she's right on all the words! Lol. A couple of classic examples which always, always have us ribbing each other.

The word, "floor". I pronounce floor "flow- er". Put it together and I'm sure you'll get it. My missus pronunciation of floor is "flaw".

It's the same with "door". Me..."doe-er". My missus...."daw".

We drive each other barmy with it, lol.
 

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Oh, and a word of warning for you guys if you ever decide to visit Ireland or Scotland.

You may as well leave your English language skills at home, because they'll be no good to you in those places, lol.

You'll think the plane took a wrong turn and dropped you off in Kazakhstan or something by mistake!!
 

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Oh, and a word of warning for you guys if you ever decide to visit Ireland or Scotland.

You may as well leave your English language skills at home, because they'll be no good to you in those places, lol.

You'll think the plane took a wrong turn and dropped you off in Kazakhstan or something by mistake!!
Looks like you are speaking from personal experience lol
 
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Looks like you are speaking from personal experience lol
I've been to both in the past, but nowadays the closest I get to it is when Irish or Scottish wagon drivers delivery goods into our yard.

They're top people, don't get me wrong, but there's something not right when you need a translator for your own language!!

It all depends on what part of their countries they come from too. You can sort of make out what some of them are saying and you can just about get along in a conversation. But others are totally impossible to converse with.
 
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...Try watching some Spanish shows with english subtitles, thats how i am learning japanese LOL...
How the hell does watching a Spanish show with English subtitles teach you Japanese?


...I have never been to France, what are the people like there?
Generally speaking, most of them are French.


I know that John is always pulling my leg over how I "talk"...
Yep...just friendly ribbing...


...We drive each other barmy with it, lol...
Lol, well...yeah...I mean...huh?


I can speak English and a pinch of Spanish and read Latin but can't speak it.
Hey, SilverArowanaBot! A "pinch" or a "smidge" or a "little bit" is another of way saying "virtually none"...and I'm not sure how one can read a language but not speak it, but I'll take your word for it.

So...your total is one. :)


Oh, and a word of warning for you guys if you ever decide to visit Ireland or Scotland.

You may as well leave your English language skills at home, because they'll be no good to you in those places, lol.

You'll think the plane took a wrong turn and dropped you off in Kazakhstan or something by mistake!!
So...it's like visiting Newfoundland? :)
 

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How the hell does watching a Spanish show with English subtitles teach you Japanese?




Generally speaking, most of them are French.




Yep...just friendly ribbing...




Lol, well...yeah...I mean...huh?




Hey, SilverArowanaBot! A "pinch" or a "smidge" or a "little bit" is another way saying "virtually none"...and I'm not sure how one can read a language but not speak it, but I'll take your word for it.

So...your total is one. :)




So...it's like visiting Newfoundland? :)
i meant i am learning japanese by watching Animes in English subtitles, i wrote too fast lol. Should have written "similarly".
 

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How the hell does watching a Spanish show with English subtitles teach you Japanese?




Generally speaking, most of them are French.




Yep...just friendly ribbing...




Lol, well...yeah...I mean...huh?




Hey, SilverArowanaBot! A "pinch" or a "smidge" or a "little bit" is another of way saying "virtually none"...and I'm not sure how one can read a language but not speak it, but I'll take your word for it.

So...your total is one. :)




So...it's like visiting Newfoundland? :)
Nobody speaks Latin fluently or honestly even speaks it; it's a dead language, hence why I can read it rather than speak it.

I know more than a smidge of Spanish because I've had conversations in Spanish with a few people. So that was innaccurate. Therefore 2 (1 full English, 1/2 Spanish and 1/2 Latin). :devil:
 
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Nobody speaks Latin fluently or honestly even speaks it; it's a dead language, hence why I can read it rather than speak it.
I'm going to assume you've never been to a Catholic mass?

I know that my Latin teacher was certainly fluent in spoken Latin, and her students learned to speak as well as read it.


...I know more than a smidge of Spanish because I've had conversations in Spanish with a few people. So that was innaccurate. Therefore 2 (1 full English, 1/2 Spanish and 1/2 Latin). :devil:
I've had conversations ("Excuse me, where is the restroom?") with people in Spanish, Dutch and Klingon...usually with the help of translation dictionaries. Do I get three more half-credits?

I learned some Bushman San from a tracker in Botswana. Is that a half-credit? He also taught me how to eat a giant live beetle grub without letting it grab hold of my tongue with its wicked pinching mandibles; I guess I qualify as an international gourmet now?

"Hence why..."? Awkward...questionable in its validity...generally poor form. We may have to deduct 1/4 point from your English credit.



Geez...bots nowadays... :headshake :ROFL:
 
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