Animal cruelty?

[twentyleagues]

Here is some info. Looks like other shellfish do also

Why are lobsters cooked alive and do they feel pain?

www.sciencefocus.com

 

[esoxlucius]

Hunters are like a box of chocolates ……...




That being said, in my younger years when putting food on the table I didn't need to spend hundreds/thousands of $$$ to put a deer, elk, or moose in the freezer. I live within an hours drive of the Rocky Mountains, and while not a common occurrence we have had moose walk down the front street where I live. Below is a cow & her young bull calf that greeted my wife one morning when she was out walking the dog. We have also had bears, mountain lions etc in the city, and deer feed on the shrubs etc on our front lawn on a regular basis. I could fill a freezer full of meat, for well under $100. CAD. If I wanted to poach one, I could fill a freezer for almost nothing.

At one point, a couple of decades ago, I simply lost the heart to kill wild animals, even if the cuts at the local meat market were more costly. Nowadays I spend my extra $$$ on filling bird & squirrel feeders, and of course fish food. lol

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And of course, although RD failed to mention, he only uses the finest nutrient rich food in his bird and squirrel feeders. By the way RD, do they make NLS bird and squirrel feed?

 

[RD.]

Why go there, really? I haven't found the commentary funny for oh I don't know, 15 yrs or more.

 

[Ulu]

My Mom used to say, "If you two don't stop fighting I'm going to tie the two of you together until you beat each other to death."

I'm starting to understand . . .


Re shellfish, I've been served some awful shellfish before. I do not like to eat shellfish I did not cook myself. I want to wash it and prep it, and I want to smell it before it goes on the heat. I have an issue with iodine too, and it can be a problem for me.

 

[Ulu]

Very few species of fish require live food, in order to become conditioned to breed, typically just those that strictly eat live in captivity.

Perhaps my fish were just picky. When I started feeding live redworms and crickets they started breeding. On pellet food nada.

 

[RD.]

There's no fight here, I'm just tired of the stupid commentary regarding xyz.

Perhaps my fish were just picky. When I started feeding live redworms and crickets they started breeding. On pellet food nada.

Yep, that can happen when one is feeding foods that are high in carbs/starch, from numerous terrestrial based plant sources. Feed those same fish a high protein/fat food, even trout chow, and away they go.

 

[skjl47]

I do not hunt for starters. Not because of the killing but because I do not like the mess of dressing out the kill. I also figure it is cheaper to buy meat from a market.

I do not like the idea of killing for the thrill of the hunt myself so much but do not condemn others who have that particular blood lust.

I only saw one comment that seemed to be agreeing with you and asking how you felt about some other topics. How'd you stir the pot? Seems we are having a good conversation with no one getting worked up over silly stuff. Lets keep the good feelings going.... huh!

Hello; I made the above comments and saw the following comments in later posts.

I think much of what passes for blood lust among hunters is misjudged.
It's not about the massacre of animals, except for a very few strange folk.
It's about training and tools. Being able to master and subdue the world by whatever means necessary, to insure human survival.

I've lost count how many animals I have killed, cleaned, butchered, and eaten. From thousands of fish, to elk and moose. Not for blood lust, I was putting food on the table when times were lean.

Hello; To Twentyleagues- The above are why I chose to make the post expanding my take on hunter "blood lust". I felt the need to be more clear after reading the quotes above. No big deal other than I do not wish to be misunderstood. RD's hunting to put food on the table in lean times is not what I consider blood lust but subsistence hunting. Some folks hunt for extra needed food.

I am still thinking about what Ulu wrote and have not come to a conclusion. Might be best for me to leave it alone.

I could fill a freezer full of meat, for well under $100. CAD. If I wanted to poach one, I could fill a freezer for almost nothing.

Hello; While at it let me be more clear on the cost of hunting. I had nothing to go hunting with at one time. I ask a hunter friend what I would need to go on a hunting trip. There was a list of things. A legal permit for sure which was among the lesser costs. I would have had to buy a rifle for a few hundred dollars. A scope and both practice and hunting ammo. All the outdoor clothing and to fit in with his group all in camo. I would have needed money to be a few hundred miles away a few days in the particular case of that friend. This was decades ago and the bill was approaching $1000+ dollars. This was just for the basic stuff. My friend also took 4 wheelers along on most of his trips.
I get that if I already had the rifle and other stuff then just a nearby hunt would cost must less. So if you already have the gear I get it.

 

[RD.]

Hello; While at it let me be more clear on the cost of hunting. I had nothing to go hunting with at one time. I ask a hunter friend what I would need to go on a hunting trip. There was a list of things. A legal permit for sure which was among the lesser costs. I would have had to buy a rifle for a few hundred dollars. A scope and both practice and hunting ammo. All the outdoor clothing and to fit in with his group all in camo. I would have needed money to be a few hundred miles away a few days in the particular case of that friend. This was decades ago and the bill was approaching $1000+ dollars. This was just for the basic stuff. My friend also took 4 wheelers along on most of his trips.
I get that if I already had the rifle and other stuff then just a nearby hunt would cost must less. So if you already have the gear I get it.

This was also decades ago, on my first hunt my "gear" consisted of a used Marlin 30-30, open sights, no scope, that as I recall I paid $150 CAD for, a box of ammo that cost probably $10 or $15, the permit was under $20, and $20 or so in gas. I slept in the back of my truck. I didn't own or wear any fancy gear, a red hat and vest I believe. I shot a bull moose opening day, and came home the same day and filled the freezer. The rifle and whatever else I had invested paid for itself & then some, on that first trip. Hunting doesn't have to be expensive, but it certainly can be depending on numerous factors. My next rifle was a Kleinguenther K-15 rifled to a Weatherby 270 Mag. It cost about 10 times what the first one did, and the scope was another $450. A lot of money to a young fella, but over the years I filled a lot of freezers with that rifle.

 

[Ogertron3000]

IME Only a few wealthy nations have the luxury of such things. If you had hungry kids crying from malnutrition (half the 3rd world) well . . . I think things would seem much different.

I agree, I could imagine trying to explain the vegan diet to a subsistence farmer in Laos, they would think you were insane.

Why go there, really? I haven't found the commentary funny for oh I don't know, 15 yrs or more.

At least you didn't get accused of wearing NLS underpants this time......

 

[Ogertron3000]

Here, read this: https://downeast.com/cook-lobster-with-cannabis/




There is a lobster maturity study being conducted by some coworkers. They actually freeze the lobsters for a short while prior to dissecting them.

I would be more tempted to smoke the cannabis then eat the lobster afterwards I think .