Are Fish Next??

[troublesum]

They say part of the ban is in do part that the animals are kept in very small enclosers and are crowded but every time i got to Petco or PetSmart i see the fish all crammed into small tanks and over stocked.
I know this will hurt some peoples feelings and many hear will say "NOT SO" but from the Ban on Cats, Dogs, and Rabbits that Fish are not on same level of said animals and its OK to cram fish in small tanks in big box stores

 

[Backfromthedead]

I'm gonna go ahead and air out a personal grievance I have with most dog and cat owners since it sorta pertains to the topic.

The older I get, I find it less and less acceptable that owners intentionally maim their pets in order to make them more controllable or convenient for their needs. Yes, I'm talking about spaying/neutering.

You don't have to fix your dog, you have to train it, and train it properly at that. It takes time and work and some may never be suitable as an inside dog, but I feel like anybody who actually loved their animal would make that effort. The same goes for cats. I wanted another cat when mine left with the ex last year, but simply don't have the time, energy, or accommodations to keep a tomcat.

I feel like our society has been conditioned to accept these practices without hesitation, without empathy, without considering what it's like to be forcibly castrated so you can be more easily yanked around on a leash. It's more than a lack of respect towards the animal, dominating another's will by force is what I consider the ultimate evil. I can't speak for all dogs and cats, but I would personally prefer death.

 

[esoxlucius]

A lot of people, all over the world, can't even raise their children in a proper manner, the ultimate responsibility. Given that fact, the mistreating and cruelty to pets is not exactly surprising.

This time of year in blighty we usually have an advert on TV regarding the buying of puppies as presents for Xmas. The tag line is, "a puppy is for life, not just for Christmas."

But year after year the rescue facilities are inundated with unwanted animals during the following new year. Very sad.

 

[jjohnwm]

Not spaying/neutering a pet...but then trying to train it not to act like an intact animal...seems much worse to me than killing it. An intact male dog will go nuts trying to track down a female in heat that he smells; are you going to try to curb those natural instincts throughout the animal's life with training? I'm tempted to say "good luck with that"...but I couldn't really wish you good luck, because if you managed to be successful it still means that the dog is living its entire life doomed to eternal frustration. And the vast majority of people won't manage to keep the animal from eventually, somehow, getting loose and contributing to the population problem.

Keeping any pet is an inherently selfish act; you are confining and controlling a living creature because of the benefits you receive from it, in terms of companionship or affection or a sense of doing something good for the animal. But domestic animals are generally not capable of surviving in a feral state, and certainly don't live very long or comfortable lives when they are forced to try. And, since so many people don't/won't spay/neuter and do nothing else to prevent unwanted breeding, there will always be vast numbers of domestic dogs, cats and others that present a problem.

Either we kill many millions of animals that should never have been born...or we start to diligently spay/neuter our pets to control their out-of-control population growth. There's really no third choice.

Esox raises an excellent point, one of my perennial pet peeves: we have the Powers That Be concerning themselves with what they like to call the welfare of dogs, cats, fish...and yet any a-hole can have children.

 

[esoxlucius]

Not spaying/neutering a pet...but then trying to train it not to act like an intact animal...seems much worse to me than killing it.

This is very true, as we found out recently with our new rabbit of all things. He is, or was, very very feisty, to the point where he would scratch and bite you when cleaning him out, feeding him, or attempting to get him out of his cage to stroke him.

The wife asked for some advice from pets at home and they recommended "sorting" him out. Which we did, and he has been a joy since, very chilled.

Without eliminating this wild trait in some pets, you'd probably have a lot more animals deemed as unmanageable, and confined to the pet scrap heap.

And for the record, it seems to work in humans too. My wife says I'm a lot more mellow since I had my bollocks "sorted", lol.

 

[Backfromthedead]

Not spaying/neutering a pet...but then trying to train it not to act like an intact animal...seems much worse to me than killing it. An intact male dog will go nuts trying to track down a female in heat that he smells; are you going to try to curb those natural instincts throughout the animal's life with training? I'm tempted to say "good luck with that"...but I couldn't really wish you good luck, because if you managed to be successful it still means that the dog is living its entire life doomed to eternal frustration. And the vast majority of people won't manage to keep the animal from eventually, somehow, getting loose and contributing to the population problem.

Keeping any pet is an inherently selfish act; you are confining and controlling a living creature because of the benefits you receive from it, in terms of companionship or affection or a sense of doing something good for the animal. But domestic animals are generally not capable of surviving in a feral state, and certainly don't live very long or comfortable lives when they are forced to try. And, since so many people don't/won't spay/neuter and do nothing else to prevent unwanted breeding, there will always be vast numbers of domestic dogs, cats and others that present a problem.

Either we kill many millions of animals that should never have been born...or we start to diligently spay/neuter our pets to control their out-of-control population growth. There's really no third choice.

Esox raises an excellent point, one of my perennial pet peeves: we have the Powers That Be concerning themselves with what they like to call the welfare of dogs, cats, fish...and yet any a-hole can have children.

I realize all of this and have no good answer to the problem. All I'll say is maybe 99% of people should never keep a dog or cat.

I don't really find the comparison to a child relevant. We are humans who have human children and so are equipped naturally with the capabilities to raise them. They are a product of our natural desire to propagate, more of an obligation to survival of the species, not pets. But now that you got me thinking, I guess more and more parents are willing to castrate their kids these days..... ... ........

 

[jjohnwm]

All I'll say is maybe 99% of people should never keep a dog or cat.

^ Agree 100%.

 

[esoxlucius]

That's me ^^^^^^^^ lol.

 

[danotaylor]

There’s a lot of truth outlined in these posts. Sadly, most people choose self centered convenience over truth most of the time

esoxlucius I enjoy serving cup cakes as well these days…though there does occasionally seem to be some ulterior motive in the back of my mind somewhere