Atabapo II
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tennfan56;3773320; said:
This is the reddest I have ever seen them
I've read before that they are supposed to get very red but I've come to the conclussion that they were most likely describing what is currently being designated as AI.
I don't hink that I've seen an AII in captivity even half as red as the one pictured above. I'd still like to get some and see what I could produce color wise.
I also think that the whole Atabapo complex of pikes is still very misunderstood and confused with many of the fish either misidentified and certainly misunderstood. For example, what is now being marketed as AII used to be AI. At some point in the past 12-18 months the designation for each fish seems to have changed. Also, I believe what is now being marketed as AI is the same thing as what used to be Cr. lugubris "Atabapo".
From the website of a reputable dealer I found these pics:
Cr. lugubris "Atabapo"
Cr. "Atabapo"
Cr. "Atabapo II"
As you can see, this website has what is the old designation for the two species when using AI & AII. Then, just to confuse the **** of you they list a 3rd species as Cr. lugubris "Atabapo" which is notetd as AII elsewhere on their website. Too add, what is currently known as AII is also referred to as Cr. "Atabapo Red" yet it is not nearly as red as Cr. "Atabapo I"/Cr. lugubris "Atabapo". It's enough to drive a person frickin' mad!!
Have I confused the living **** out eberyone yet??
http://www.raubwelse.de/galerie/cichliden/images/bild191.jpg
Gotdamn it!! I had a bunch more info that I had added and edited into my post and when I tried to submit it was told that the admins didn't think I should be able to edit my post after 30 minutes. On top of that I lost all of the info and pics that I added. Who's the dumbass that made such a rule and I end up wasting 45 minutes of research and time from my life?
Screw it. You get the short answer.
No, Atabapo II is not as red as Atabapo I. Atabapo I is very red whereas Tapajos I is more Orange/Red.
Screw it. You get the short answer.
No, Atabapo II is not as red as Atabapo I. Atabapo I is very red whereas Tapajos I is more Orange/Red.
Bummer on losing the extra research. What you did share was very informative, especially for us pike novices. Thanks for putting in the time!
Spot on, especially about the annoyance of them changing the names.
Scat you have any tips for the atabapo II? I'm trying to get my pair to color up, but any ideas are appreciated. The female is getting specs of red in her dorsal already, so I believe there is potential for them to color up fully. That one you posted is definitely a female, mine already has the black blotch as pictured. Couple more inches and I think it'll be time for the color up. Just need to figure out the trigger for color.
The weird thing is that atabapo I, tapajos I AND tapajos II reach their impressive adult coloration, so why is it so difficult to get atabapo II to reach theirs?
Scat you have any tips for the atabapo II? I'm trying to get my pair to color up, but any ideas are appreciated. The female is getting specs of red in her dorsal already, so I believe there is potential for them to color up fully. That one you posted is definitely a female, mine already has the black blotch as pictured. Couple more inches and I think it'll be time for the color up. Just need to figure out the trigger for color.
The weird thing is that atabapo I, tapajos I AND tapajos II reach their impressive adult coloration, so why is it so difficult to get atabapo II to reach theirs?
Peanut_Power;3774764; said:
Again, I tend to think that Cr. sp. "Atabapo" are not nearly as red as the literature had led us to believe. I suspect that when they have talked about Atabapo pikes that are bright, intense red that they are referring to Cr. lugubris "Atabapo". The pic that I posted is the reddest sp. "Atabapo" that I have ever seen. Still, it is much more red than any of them that I have seen in captivity.
I suspect part of the problem is simply age. How old are yours? Do you know of anyone that has kept this fish to maturity? We may simply not have seen an actual tank raised, mature sp. "Atabapo".
I also think that with this species it is much more critical to keep and raise the fish in very soft water. Not only would this improve color I suspect that it would nealy eliminate the issue everyone seems to have with LLE. I have a sneaky suspicion that if coupled with a good diet that your fish would clear right up if kept in soft enough water. This was what I wanted to try with the free pair that were being offered but I couldn't seem to get the logistics worked out on that deal.
Jer,
I found these pics of larger "Atabapo" raised in captivity. Not even a slight hint offered on these two. Although they do have the typical LLE for a tank raised "Atabapo"
The same fish when young.
Perhaps there are geographical variants like with many other Crenicichla species??
I found these pics of larger "Atabapo" raised in captivity. Not even a slight hint offered on these two. Although they do have the typical LLE for a tank raised "Atabapo"
The same fish when young.
Perhaps there are geographical variants like with many other Crenicichla species??
This is great information.... Rapps has both Atabapo I's and II's so I was wondering if it was worth getting either. He calls them both "fire red pikes" and in the description he says the larger Atabapo II's (6-7") are "displaying lots of red at this size." Could this be another case of confused identification?
just checked rapps stocklist of pikes and after seeing the pics above. im so tempted to get the atabapo 1's. i need a house with a giant basement to satisfy crenicichla addiction.