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Cold hardy cichlids?

Anchovie

Feeder Fish
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Hey everyone. I'm interested to hear what you all think about cold hardy cichlids. Can it be done? I read about all the different hybrids you are all pumping out, and since cichlids seem to hybridize quickly and easily, I don't see why someone couldn't breed for certain qualities, such as cold hardiness. I expect it would take quite a few generations, but I live in new jersey and I can't tell you how cool it would be to get rid of my koi out back and replace them with oscars or jags. Just a thought, but everyone in my neighborhood has a pond ( I think I started a trend) and I feel it would be super profitable to breed cichlids to survive the new jersey winter. Just food for thought, let me know what you think!


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Well they can't now, but what of the future? Are there specific reasons why it's impossible or are you saying that in this particular moment in time, it's not possible? Humans have always molded animal species to thrive in places where it's convenient for them, can the same not be done with cichlids?


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They can possibly, if you keep on selectively breed for the trait. Good luck though, will be a very hard, or at least time-demanding project to pull off, not just because of the generations of breeding potentially required, but also because of the fact that exposing cichlids to lower temps slow down their breeding as well.
 
They can possibly, if you keep on selectively breed for the trait. Good luck though, will be a very hard, or at least time-demanding project to pull off, not just because of the generations of breeding potentially required, but also because of the fact that exposing cichlids to lower temps slow down their breeding as well.
And how may I ask do you know what cichlids carry the trait you are speaking of. Cichlids are called tropical fish for some reason. DUH! Probably because they come from tropical waters.
 
Maybe by raising each generation in slightly cooler water than their parents. The ones that spawn would be the ones that are suited for that environment. Each generation would be born into an environment that they would be forced to adapt to in order to survive. I'll bet in a few years they will begin to adapt. It would have to be a cichlid species that is a gluttonous eater, as it would need to develop fat reserves.


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You would, I suspect eventually get to koi behavior, where they overwinter settled in the mud, and spawn when the pond hits 74 degrees or so, giving you one massive spawn instead of multiple smaller spawns several times a year, but with no competition for females or food, I'd think it's possible to eventually get a fish to live anywhere that doesnt freeze solid.


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Cichlids are tropical fish and require higher temps. You can try to possibly grow generations in cooloer waters a little at a time, but the likely hood of them surviving a Jersey winter a slim to none.
 
And how may I ask do you know what cichlids carry the trait you are speaking of. Cichlids are called tropical fish for some reason. DUH! Probably because they come from tropical waters.

What part of 'possibly' did you not understand?

Cichlids may or may not have any preadaptations to the cold, but that doesn't mean over many generations they don't accumulate genetic elements that would allow them to survive in the cold. Same as any organism really, that's how we get all these organisms living in all sorts of environment. Most african cichlids require a (relatively) high pH but Red Forest Jewels require a (relatively) low pH. What, did you think RFJs just dropped out of the sky as is or something? Obviously not, at some point either the RFJ split from the rest and adapted to a lower pH lifestyle, or most Africans had to adapt to a higher pH lifestyle, or both had to adapt from an original different pH lifestyle. Whatever the case, at least one species had to evolve to adapt to the pH of their environment. If cichlids can evolve to survive in lower/higher pH, then they can evolve to adapt to colder temps, or other environmental factors that they are not used to.

Mutations occur all the time, tweaking genes and other genetic elements constantly, producing new varieties of genotypes. By subjecting a species to colder and colder temperatures and selecting the ones that adapt best to breed on, one will be selecting for the genetic element(s) that confers cold resistance, whether they are already there, or eventually will develope through mutations.

Of course, it is possible that it may never work, hence why I wrote 'possible', but chances actually that it would work, over many generations. It will take a lot of work, but it is entirely possible.
 
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