First datnoid any advice

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Thank you Gage Zamrzla Gage Zamrzla that is reassuring and is there you can have one or X amount when it comes to datnoids
I don't believe that's of too much concern though all situations should be handled individually. The only things that come to mind is keeping two of any datnoids can lead to extra "pecking" in the pecking order as there aren't any others to peck on. This is usually the case for several species of fish anyways.

Are you fimiliar with the 5 kinds of datnoid? If so NGT typically don't get along well at all but in my own experience I've kept two in a 75g with no problems in the several months they were together though one was almost completely blind when I adopted it.
 

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I don't believe that's of too much concern though all situations should be handled individually. The only things that come to mind is keeping two of any datnoids can lead to extra "pecking" in the pecking order as there aren't any others to peck on. This is usually the case for several species of fish anyways.

Are you fimiliar with the 5 kinds of datnoid? If so NGT typically don't get along well at all but in my own experience I've kept two in a 75g with no problems in the several months they were together though one was almost completely blind when I adopted it.
No I am not familiar with all the five kinds. I should reword that, I knew there where more then a few different kinds but I never did a whole bunch of research past the one I have picked up
 

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There are 5 kinds of datnoid;
Indonesian Tiger (IT) yours,
Siamese Tiger (ST),
Northern Thailand Tiger (NTT)
New Guinea Tiger (NGT)
American Tiger (AT)

Here are some identification charts and a map explaining their distribution.

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General care and husbandry is more or less the same for all species with the exception of the AT.

IT are the most common variety available in the hobby and are typically the cheapest next to perhaps the AT. IT stability ranges from brown to gold with solid stripes to light tan color depending on several uncertain factors. They reach a size of approx 18-24".

ST are the least commonly seen variety now a days, I've never had the privilege of keeping one. From what I understand they were similarly abundant to what IT are now but due to their popularity largely because of their "widebar" and the fact that they rarely go unstable as well as excessive damming they are potentially on the brink of extinction. Their actual numbers in the wild are debated but it is likely they aren't long for this earth as a species unless the code is cracked and they can be bred in captivity. Because of this they demand a very, very high price tag ranging from $500 a few years ago to potentially thousands now. They reach a size of approx 18-+24". T1 here has one that is likely close to 30" in a (if I remember right) a 1000g aquarium.

NTT are somewhat rare in the hobby and while they are not of a similar status to the ST they have seemed to diminish in numbers and gone up in price over the last few years. Distinguishable because of their "thin bars" and lighter golden color and a slimmer figure. They seem to be most susceptible to "SDS", sudden death syndrome. I will provide a link to another thread where this was recently discussed. There is no difinitive answer to the SDS theory. Stability in NTT seems to be more consistent than IT but will still go unstable in the sense that they "fade" instead of going brown/black. Generally all of mine have been rather stable almost 100% of the time. They reach a size of approx 14-16".

NGT are fairly rare in the hobby but with access to a high quality LFS or a distributor you can certainly obtain one of these unique tigers. They are the most different looking of all datnoids as they have stripes that look more like they were drawn with a crayon than the generally cleaner bars of other tigers and they have much more black in their overall appearance. This species generally doesn't tolerate their own kind in the same aquarium and are sometimes considered the most aggressive tiger species though even they, in my experience are not especially aggressive in general. Prices for these generally range from $120-250 for a 4-5" individual on the west coast. They reach a size of approx 14-16".

AT are fairly common in the hobby and along with IT are one of the cheapest. This species is the only tiger who as they grow older need some level of salt in the aquarium. This can be debated but my thought is the general lack of large specimens (over 7") shows that as they mature they likely progress towards more brackish areas of their river systems and most larger individuals I have seen in the hobby were in brackish tanks. The name American Tiger, I have no answer for. It's not American, it is found in India and supposedly from Indonesia. They reach a size of approx 10-12".
 
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General care and husbandry is more or less the same for all species with the exception of the AT.

IT are the most common variety available in the hobby and are typically the cheapest next to perhaps the AT. IT stability ranges from brown to gold with solid stripes to light tan color depending on several uncertain factors. They reach a size of approx 18-24".

ST are the least commonly seen variety now a days, I've never had the privilege of keeping one. From what I understand they were similarly abundant to what IT are now but due to their popularity largely because of their "widebar" and the fact that they rarely go unstable as well as excessive damming they are potentially on the brink of extinction. Their actual numbers in the wild are debated but it is likely they aren't long for this earth as a species unless the code is cracked and they can be bred in captivity. Because of this they demand a very, very high price tag ranging from $500 a few years ago to potentially thousands now. They reach a size of approx 18-+24". T1 here has one that is likely close to 30" in a (if I remember right) a 1000g aquarium.

NTT are somewhat rare in the hobby and while they are not of a similar status to the ST they have seemed to diminish in numbers and gone up in price over the last few years. Distinguishable because of their "thin bars" and lighter golden color and a slimmer figure. They seem to be most susceptible to "SDS", sudden death syndrome. I will provide a link to another thread where this was recently discussed. There is no difinitive answer to the SDS theory. Stability in NTT seems to be more consistent than IT but will still go unstable in the sense that they "fade" instead of going brown/black. Generally all of mine have been rather stable almost 100% of the time. They reach a size of approx 14-16".

NGT are fairly rare in the hobby but with access to a high quality LFS or a distributor you can certainly obtain one of these unique tigers. They are the most different looking of all datnoids as they have stripes that look more like they were drawn with a crayon than the generally cleaner bars of other tigers and they have much more black in their overall appearance. This species generally doesn't tolerate their own kind in the same aquarium and are sometimes considered the most aggressive tiger species though even they, in my experience are not especially aggressive in general. Prices for these generally range from $120-250 for a 4-5" individual on the west coast. They reach a size of approx 14-16".

AT are fairly common in the hobby and along with IT are one of the cheapest. This species is the only tiger who as they grow older need some level of salt in the aquarium. This can be debated but my thought is the general lack of large specimens (over 7") shows that as they mature they likely progress towards more brackish areas of their river systems and most larger individuals I have seen in the hobby were in brackish tanks. The name American Tiger, I have no answer for. It's not American, it is found in India and supposedly from Indonesia. They reach a size of approx 10-12".
SDS post.

I've had three NTT and only raised one to 7-8", one other died in an oxygenation mishap and the other was rehomed before reaching that size. I say this because my own experience can only provide so much to the concersation but from my experience (conversations, readings, etc) with other NTT keepers over the years I'm somewhat skeptical of SDS. I think proper quarantine and dosing of a wild caught fish should be done to ensure the best chance of a longer healthier life for that individual fish, tankmates and the aquarium's ecosystem in the long run.

Please keep in mind that I'm not super knowledgeable on parasites or the differences between likelyhood of catching a parasite in NTT vs other datnoids environemnts.

My thought is that all NTT (and all other datnoids for that matter) are wild caught and must have some adjustment period to being placed in a controlled environent (aquariums) where essentially none of the factors of their natural environment have any effect. Factors that may allow them to live with or even naturally remove different parasites that may be the cause of SDS. Potential underlying causes of SDS could be picked up in the time between capture and shipping of the fish when stress is high and the immune system is low.

Another thing, datnoids in large generally grow relatively slowly compared to other fish we keep and though breeding information wild or captive is quite scarce, NTT, like other datnoids obviously still breed in the wild. Mature species likely are a few years old and to me, it just seems like this is more of a problem of this particular fish living outside of it's natural enviroment.

I know this post is a little lose on the info but that's kind of why SDS is called "sudden," not much is proven by hard evidence.
 
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