Fish Story Aquarium and Rescue, Naples, FL; two 4500 gal 13'x13'x4.5'

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Toyin of Rehoboth Aquatics transferred this umbee cichlid to us ~1.5 years ago. It was about 7" and grew to about 9" in a few of our 240 gal tanks. It was a bit challenging to find compatible tank mates for it in 240 gal. Either it would harass them, even some as aggressive as purple Labeo, or they would as was the case with Asian red tail catfish.

It's done much better in a 4500 gal, where it has been for about 8-10 months now and reached ~14". It became ~completely relaxed. Every now and then it may get into a tiny argument with a ~14" flowerhorn. It appears to prefer high quality pellets to cheaper pellets, which it still takes, and to thawed fish.

 
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True Brachyplatystoma vaillantii catfish, ~12", in 4500 gal, filmed Dec 2016. Great many thanks to Wesley Wong for bringing it in from Suriname. Got it Summer 2016 at ~7"-8". After it had added on a couple more inches in 240 gal, it went into a 4500 gal. In every tank it was, it was always intact and lacked even any slight damage to its fins, while other Brachyplatystoma, such as capapretum, platynemum, rosseauxii, in the same 240 gal with it bore some damage to the fins. I tentatively blame the vaillantii. In 4500 gal it appears to have relaxed a lot. It is still damage-free and still has two nice extensions on both caudal lobes, despite having a bunch of nipping tank mates. It really likes its cheap catfish farm pellets and was ~12" in Dec 2016. Now, in Mar 2017 it looks to have added another ~2".

 

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Two vittatus African tigerfish, ~16", in 4500 gal, filmed Dec 2016.

These two are from an original quintet I got from Wesley Wong at ~3" in Summer of 2015, which were my first ever ATFs. I gave them a bare 240 gal of their own. They were skittish throughout most of their time in that 240 gal and I remember being very afraid to spook them, walking by as far as I could from the tank, making sure no light was turned on near them, approaching the tank like a sloth when I had to feed them, etc... Wes scared me that they may slam into a wall and kill themselves.

Little by little they took to cut thawed fish as a staple. Then they started taking Hikari floating sticks too.

At about 6"-7" they went into a 4500 gal, which was ~1 year and a few months ago. They relaxed greatly in there. Despite having left a nightlight on, there were only 4 the next morning. The smallest one was eaten by a tank mate in their first night in 4500 gal. In several months after that, one evening I haven't turned the tank light on in time after it got dark and the tank was in darkness for ~30-60 min, and sure enough, as I feared there were only 3 now. Another one was eaten. Albeit I still don't know by which tank mate.

After that, the three survivors did very well for a long while, reaching ~12". They never schooled anymore and there was a clear pecking order - alpha, beta, and gamma. I relaxed and stopped watching them closely, only to find out several months later that somehow there were only 2 left. I've no clue what happened to the gamma VATF but I suppose the other two might have been too harsh on it for too long. Their chasing is lightning fast but not prolonged, not relentless; it is rather occasional, so I thought the beta and gamma were relatively safe.

Anyhow, this is how I ended up with just these two.

Aug-Sept 2016, I bought two more VATF from Wes, which have been growing in a 240 gal community. The $$ was tight. I really needed to buy 6 or more. They came in at ~3" and are ~6" now, eating the same diet of catfish farm pellet and thawed fish. They weren't nearly as skittish as the first 5, perhaps because there were plenty of calm tank mates in with them producing dither effect.

IDK how or when I might be able to try and place these two with the original two, if ever. I too got six ~3"-4" GATF from Wes a couple of weeks ago. It'd be ideal if I could house all ATF together at some point. But IDK how or when it'd be doable.

 

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Tank 22, 4500 gal, update filmed Apr 20, 2017:

10 RTC, 3 TSN, 7 pacu, 4 paroon shark catfish, 2 jau catfish, barramundi perch, arapaima, Distichodus sexfasciatum, 2 TSNxRTC hybrid catfish, Marbled Pim catfish, TSNxMarbled Pim hybrid catfish, Wallago leerii

 
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Looking great, the pima seems to have grown! I have to ask though, how on earth do you catch one of them if needs be?
 

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Hey Chubs, thanks. Drain to half deep or shallower. Wade in, which is risky (spines!). Chase around. Catch with one or two large landing nets. Once in the net I use a pillowcase sometimes when need to be gentle.

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A 40-minute long in-tank video update of tank 21, 4500 gal, "relatively peaceful" community. Complete catfish list is below. Others include silver aros, cichlids, wolves, bowfin, yellowcheek, bala sharks, tinfoil barbs, Phoenix barbs, mahseer, pima, VATF, Catla catla, Siamese giant carp, red hook SDs, tarpon, giant gourami, gar, and pbass.

Niger catfish 5x (30"-36"; only one male/skinny; vacuum cleaners)

Marbled pim 3x (skinnier male and 2 fuller-bodied females 2’ each)

Marbled sailfin pim 3x (2’ each, indecisive, can never figure out the pecking order)

Iridescent shark catfish 4x (all ~2')

Black ear shark (~1'; calmed down a LOT with age and size)

Sun catfish 8x (7”-10”; gluttons lacking any self control)

Giraffe catfish 6x (two ~1'+ occidentalis cf Bouche; ~1' tanganicanus or tchadiensis or else (sold as from Volta river); ~1' one from Niger river,;~1' one sold as from Congo river, probably wittei; ~15" wittei named Happy from Beetlebug515 Beetlebug515 )

Bolt catfish (~10"; character)

Albino Hemibagrus nemurus (~10”)

Pterodoras granulosus 3x (15”, 10”, 10”; gluttons)

Irwini catfish (~18”)

Vulture catfish 6x (~14"-20"; characters)

Aluminum catfish, Chrysichthys ornatus, 2x (~1’)

Tig catfish (~15”, 2 year old)

Asian RTC (~16”, from R rmkblades finicky even after many months in 240 gal but blossomed into an all out eating machine and model citizen so far in 4500 gal)

Brachyplatystoma vaillantii (~15" from Wes)

Piraiba (~22" from Wes; Suriname)

Sperata aor Indian shovelnose catfish 3x (~12"-15" from Raymond Chan)

 

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I got 5 little yellowcheeks aka Elopichthys bambusa from Wesley Wong of Rare Fish in California back in Aug 2015 at ~1"-1.5". Tiniest wigglers.

Because they have a simple, straight gut and similar to perch and bass their metabolism is very quick, they require frequent feedings when small, which lessens with age but remains a factor to keep in mind. They have been easy to feed for me from the start. I give them catfish farm pellet (Zeigler Bros) and thawed marine baitfish. When they are relaxed, their appetite is superb but they stress way too easy.

Although they ate well and grew well, I still lost 3 over many months to unknown reasons, eating one day, dead the next. Perhaps I am guessing I lost them to too soft water or unstable pH (my water was largely RO water with a little hardness picked up here and there, KH and GH of a couple degrees). Fixed my water since then.

The two survivors did well in 240 gal and I tried three (!) times to introduce them into 4500 gal.

The first try in 4500 gal was about Nov-Dec 2016, when they were ~16"-17" and they lasted a week in there. They've not eaten while in there and apparently have been harassed around. Eventually I think my two ~14"-16" VATF started biting them badly and I fished them out half-alive with ~all fins damaged, lots of scales missing, and a few deep fleshy wounds near the tail. So I placed them back into their 240 gal. They are shy fish that never answer back, only try to swim away. They stress way too easy. They are exceedingly timid with other fish. They have no teeth, their jaws are aggressively shaped but very smooth.

They healed up well and thickened up a lot in a 240 gal for a few months and added on a few inches, reaching 18"-20", so I gave them a second try in 4500 gal this Feb 2017. The first day my smaller ~1'-1.5' mahseer were giving them hard time (they do it to all new comers by biting their fins, not that they can bite them off, so I am not sure what they are trying to accomplish) joined by a 10" dorado, so I stuck a large fish net in the tank overnight. They all respect the net (or are afraid of the newness it introduces) and stop their aggressive behavior, giving new fish a chance to adjust at the expense of the old population being a tiny bit stressed.

Still for 4-5 days the yellowcheeks have not eaten. The bodily damage was a lot less than the first time, actually tolerable except the tails were getting more tattered bit by bit. Even saw my lonely koi lunge at them. What??

240 Gal was a bit too tight for them already. When they beg for food they do it exceedingly energetically, often hitting the glass lids and splashing water out even with weights on the lids. They are great swimmers and need space. Regrettably, I've got nothing between 240 and 4500 gal for now.

I kept hoping that maybe once they get accustomed and comfortable in 4500 gal, or when they get bigger, they would turn. There still was no big damage to the pair, just the tails were getting more tattered. Then one started feeding and rather well! The other got a good size bite on its flank, and kept showing zero interest in feed. In a few days, despite having at least a 50% success, more or less, I removed both into their 240 gal.

The third attempt has been ongoing for the last couple of weeks, that's May 2017, when they both reached roughly 2' in 240 gal. The scenario has been playing out about the same as the second try - slightly bigger and thicker one was doing much better than the other. In the first week, I missed the point of no return when the weaker one's been harassed too much. Removed it to 240 gal tank but about half a day too late. In one day it died.

Thus, down to my last cheek, which is still swimming in the 4500 gal, coping with aggression ok, eating well. It's a challenge to feed though because it darts from all other more aggressively feeding and snappy tank mates - pima, aros, and pbass.

sunnysjourney sunnysjourney reported about the same observations, with which I concur ~ entirely. https://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/...ys-bambusa-growout.674070/page-6#post-7680476 I was surprised that Sunnys' did well with the GATF for a tank mate. I did note the tail tips of his cheek have been always (?) bitten off. I suppose it's the GATF. My VATF do it to many fish. But if so, it didn't bother Sunnys' yellowcheek enough that it stopped feeding.

Be that as it may, some photos of my cheeks and the post mortum too:

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Unfortunately a post mortum report.

~17" Murray cod, 2 years old, from Wes. I think killed by Malachite Green treatment I've conducted against some stubborn external parasites in both of my 4500 gal tanks. Used the usual ~3-5 ppm dose. Too much of a coincidence - had two cods eating exceptionally well and growing and both perished within a few weeks after MG treatment. This was the first time all the fish in both 4500's had ever seen Malachite Green. I try to turn to medications as a last resort only, especially as harsh as MG is. I've been told Methylene Blue is far milder and its killing spectrum is wider.

The other cod is ~18". The tail is damaged post mortum, likely by our 6 vulture catfishes.

Interesting fish. Don't like each other at all of course. Swim very little, just sit on the bottom in one spot a long time then move to another in 4500 gal. They preferred catfish farm pellets but did take some thawed fish too. Didn't seem to care if they were in 4500 gal or 240 gal (one per tank in the latter case, of course).

Haven't noted much tank mate interaction, even with other perch and bass-looking fish in 4500 gal.

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The other cod:

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