GE Silicone 1 Door/Window vs GE Silicone 2 Door/Window

[Zander_The_RBP]

Red Belly Pacu, I believe this is why you bumped this and put the popcorn emote... I am also wondering how this will turn out. Here goes:

GE specifically says that their consumer grade silicone is not purposed for aquarium use. This includes GE 1, GE 2, and every other one you see in the aisle. They go so far as to say "NOT FOR: aquariums."

again it's just a liability thing


look you can keep trying to sell us the more expensive crap but no one is listening many people on here have used GE 1 and 2 with NO problems i personaly have used it and it's absolutely fine.


when you have some personal experience to the contrary comeback and we will talk.


I'll say it again and it's the truth 100% SILICONE IS 100% SILICONE

 

[Clay]

Why would it be a "liability thing" for one of their silicones and not another? The logic is flawed. I showed you that on one tube of GE product it says not safe for aquarium use. I showed you on another GE product that it is safe. That isn't a "liability thing."

I'm not pushing you to use any particular product. I'm suggesting that there is a better product to use, and here's why. I'm suggesting that for peace of mind, spending the extra 4 bucks shouldn't be a big deal. It's not 10x the cost (as you stated earlier), it's not hard to get, it's not a conspiracy, and it's not the same stuff. 100% silicone is not always 100% silicone.

But if you're ok with it, great. Good for you. I hope you provide the best environment possible for your fsh. But in the same way that carcinogens take years to manifest symptoms, I'm guessing that long term exposure to chemicals would have a similar effect. I haven't done a study and neither have you. But I can read the label printed by the people who did do the studies - and it says it's not for aquarium use.

Hope that helps.

 

[Zander_The_RBP]

Why would it be a "liability thing" for one of their silicones and not another? The logic is flawed. I showed you that on one tube of GE product it says not safe for aquarium use. I showed you on another GE product that it is safe. That isn't a "liability thing."

I'm not pushing you to use any particular product. I'm suggesting that there is a better product to use, and here's why. I'm suggesting that for peace of mind, spending the extra 4 bucks shouldn't be a big deal. It's not 10x the cost (as you stated earlier), it's not hard to get, it's not a conspiracy, and it's not the same stuff. 100% silicone is not always 100% silicone.

But if you're ok with it, great. Good for you. I hope you provide the best environment possible for your fsh. But in the same way that carcinogens take years to manifest symptoms, I'm guessing that long term exposure to chemicals would have a similar effect. I haven't done a study and neither have you. But I can read the label printed by the people who did do the studies - and it says it's not for aquarium use.

Hope that helps.

then i hope you can start naming off some carcinogens that leach out of silicone so it can be banned and no one use it anymore. The only person with flawed logic is you.


It is a conspiracy, you can't put a label on sometihng that says 100%silicone and it not be 100% silicone thats illegal becuase it's false advertising.

they did not do any studies do you think there is a reason it's 4 dollars more ? Of course becuase they know they can put up the price and people will pay.
go to one of their factories you will find they are probably bottling the same stuff into both those bottles. Infact you will probably find it is 1 company that makes all silicones and they just get repackaged (you wouldn't beleive how commonplace this is for everything not just silicone)

in 100% silicone there is nothing but silicone so obviously there is nothing to leach out into the water coloum

also the smae silicone used anywhere else eventualy grows mold furthering my theory that it's non toxic.

Besides think of how little silicone there is actualy in relation to how much water you have in a tank with consistent water changes even if it leaches anything they will be so diluted it won't matter.

I just looked at my old bottle of GE I and it dosen't say anywhere on it not for aquarium use it even lists places where it should not be used and aquariums are not one of them.

EDIT: you know what im going to shut up because i found a post in another thread that much better illustrates the point i am making the post is by NC_nutcase ...... this guy knows what he is doing when it comes to fish stuff and stuff chemistry related.

Be careful asking for and listening to opinions on something that is a factual topic... not all opinions are formulated on accurate input/information or made after thorough research...


GE I silicone adheres to glass better than GE II... compare the packaging for verification on that one...

There is a rumor which appears to be true, that All Glass used GE I Silicone to make their tanks and they repackaged it and sold it under their own label for an exaggerated price.

GE lists their silicone as "not safe for aquariums" to avoid liability, yet it is likely not every customer service representative is aware of that and the ones who are surely wouldn't admit it to a caller.

GE (and most if not all other brands) use an ammonia based additive in their kitchen and bath silicones. The 'bioseal' contained by GE II is NOT the same ammonia based additive.

GE I and GE II use different curing methods/agents. GE I releases harsher chemicals during curing which is why they developed GE II. But GE I is a superior product which is why both remain on the market. The curing method of GE II leaves the product somewhat mold/mildew resistent, which is why it is listed as "bioseal'.

100% silicone does not mean 100% silicone. It means there are no other pastes, glues, adhesives, etc contained. They are still allowed to add coloring agents, mold/mildew inhibitors, curing agents, etc, etc, etc and still list it as 100% silicone. If not how would they change the color?

There is at least one ingredient in GE II that has been proven to have adverse effects on the reproductive process in animals. It is commonly suspected that this ingredient is in such small quantities that the effect is null.


In conclusion, I suggest using GE I over GE II... but if you want/need colored silicone GE II can be used...

For the record, DAP Plus series is very comparable to GE II and DAP (non plus) is very coparable to GE I...

In my opinion, the high dollar aquarium silicone is a marketing ploy and the educated consumer should not be fooled into thinking they need to pay the extra money for it.

 

[Red_Belly_Pacu]

Red Belly Pacu, I believe this is why you bumped this and put the popcorn emote... I am also wondering how this will turn out. Here goes:

GE specifically says that their consumer grade silicone is not purposed for aquarium use. This includes GE 1, GE 2, and every other one you see in the aisle. They go so far as to say "NOT FOR: aquariums."

Yes, I come here with a very open mind. If a product says that it is not for aquarium use, many people would believe it. I think the majority of people would believe the label.

It is just that many people had sucess with using this brand and they did not pay attention to what the label stated.

 

[Clay]

Well, I'm not saying you won't have success. I'm not saying your tank will leak. I've only stated the facts about it. There is a better alternative (many, actually), and there are reasons you shouldn't use the consumer grade product.

What you do in your tank is up to you. Best of luck.

Hope that helps.

 

[longv]

maybe you should read thru this entire thread like i have http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=118131

 

[Richies^Ghost]

It is a conspiracy, you can't put a label on sometihng that says 100%silicone and it not be 100% silicone thats illegal becuase it's false advertising.

Though they can say it's not for aquariums? Seems like false advertising to me if what you say is true.

in 100% silicone there is nothing but silicone so obviously there is nothing to leach out into the water coloum... EDIT: you know what im going to shut up because i found a post in another thread that much better illustrates the point i am making...

100% silicone does not mean 100% silicone. It means there are no other pastes, glues, adhesives, etc contained. They are still allowed to add coloring agents, mold/mildew inhibitors, curing agents, etc, etc, etc and still list it as 100% silicone. If not how would they change the color?

Can I suggest that when keeping fish, the attitude "I did it and it was fine" be taken with a grain of salt? It's easy to find what we're looking for (i.e. fish staying alive) and overlook what we're not looking for or not capable of seeing (i.e. relatively stunted growth, shorter life span, hormonal imbalances, etc).

FWIW my LFS builds large tanks using GE construction sealant, as it's sticks like fish poo to filter wool

 

[hmt321]

what you have to remember is that GE makes this product to preform a certain task. Aquarium applications are not one off them. They may at any time change the something in the production, or even in the consistency of this product that could make it toxic to fish. I have used it in the past, but if i was planning a large project i would most likely get something that is listed as aquarium safe.

You could do a ton of work on a project only to have to break it down and start over because of something like this.

 

[Zander_The_RBP]

what you have to remember is that GE makes this product to preform a certain task. Aquarium applications are not one off them. They may at any time change the something in the production, or even in the consistency of this product that could make it toxic to fish. I have used it in the past, but if i was planning a large project i would most likely get something that is listed as aquarium safe.

You could do a ton of work on a project only to have to break it down and start over because of something like this.

yes but they do make the for applications that would be exposed to alot of water / moisture therefore it is structuraly fine. Silicone no matter what type is INERT (if it wasen't it would degrade over time and become brittle as it looses whatever the chemical it contains that's leaching out which it dosen't)

Supposedly the old GE-012A and the GE1 are the same. I read somewhere that they removed the "aquarium safe" off the label because of legal reasons and it was being co-branded out to other re-packers. Same for the GE RTV-108. I've used the 108 in non aquarium projects and that stuff doesnt play around - it's serious.

that's from the sticky about aqaurium silicone at the top of this forum

people need to really start reading a little before they talk.


nothing is going to leach out of the silicone assuming it dosen't contain bioseal (an anti-fungal which may or may not be harmful to fish depending on which antifungal)


you guys have seriously been drinking waaaaaaaay to much of the GE silicone flavoured kool-aid.

 

[kdv9tb]

So GE 1 and 2 can both be used in an aquarium. What about in a saltwater set-up?