Inverts feel pain?

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Chefs who prepare crustaceans by dropping them into boiling water while alive might now be feeling guilty, as scientists have provided evidence to suggest that invertebrates, such as prawns, can feel pain.

Biologists from the School of Biological Sciences at Queen's University, Belfast, examined how prawns reacted to noxious stimuli and believe they have found evidence to demonstrate that the invertebrates can feel pain.

When acetic acid was dabbed onto the antennae of the prawn, Palaemon elegans, it elicited an immediate reflex tail reflex response - something known as nociception. The prawn also undertook some prolonged "grooming" activities on the affected antenna.

The researchers believe that these behaviours might indicate that the prawns felt pain as a result of the stimuli applied.


Anaesthetic test
When the antenna was numbed with the drug benzocaine, a local anaesthetic, both sets of responses were inhibited.

The authors explained: "Noxious stimuli elicited an immediate reflex tail flick response, followed by two prolonged activities, grooming of the antenna and rubbing of the antenna against the side of the tank, with both activities directed specifically at the treated antenna.

"These responses were inhibited by benzocaine; however, benzocaine did not alter general swimming activity and thus the decline in grooming and rubbing is not due to general anaesthesia.

"Mechanical stimulation by pinching also resulted in prolonged rubbing, but this was not inhibited by benzocaine.

"These results indicate an awareness of the location of the noxious stimuli, and the prolonged complex responses indicate a central involvement in their organization.

"The inhibition by a local anaesthetic is similar to observations on vertebrates and is consistent with the idea that these crustaceans can experience pain."

Many experts previously believed that only vertebrate animals felt pain.

Cephalopods, such as octopus and cuttlefish, which have a larger central nervous system (CNS), and they are afforded legal protection in the UK when used in studies, while other invertebrates are not.

For more information see the paper: Barr S, Laming PR, Dick JTA and RW Elwood (2007) - Nociception or pain in a decapod crustacean? Animal Behaviour, doi:10.1016/j.anbehav.2007.07.004.

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Interesting article. The crayfish does not have anything similar to the extensive nervous system that we or other animals have. Testing the antenna of the crayfish, I would not consider to be conclusive evidence that the crayfish feels pain, but a start to working it out. The antenna will trigger a response in the crayfish to warn them of possible danger in the water (toxic, pH., temp. etc). If you were to pinch the antenna between your fingers, I am sure they will have the very same response. This is not to say they actually "felt" anything but it is not to say they did not. However, they do use them as a sensor, much like cat whiskers and neither die from loosing them.

Very interesting just the same.
 
Crusty;1281985; said:
Interesting article. The crayfish does not have anything similar to the extensive nervous system that we or other animals have. Testing the antenna of the crayfish, I would not consider to be conclusive evidence that the crayfish feels pain, but a start to working it out. The antenna will trigger a response in the crayfish to warn them of possible danger in the water (toxic, pH., temp. etc). If you were to pinch the antenna between your fingers, I am sure they will have the very same response. This is not to say they actually "felt" anything but it is not to say they did not. However, they do use them as a sensor, much like cat whiskers and neither die from loosing them.

Very interesting just the same.

I agree, it's hardly conclusive... especially when just using the antenna. I'm not sure if there would be a particularly good way to test it.
 
Offcourse these creatures feel pain. If an animal can't feel pain, it doesn't know it is doing some harmfull. Pain is something that warns, something worse is going to hapen, if they don't stop.
 
Frommel;1282577; said:
Offcourse these creatures feel pain. If an animal can't feel pain, it doesn't know it is doing some harmfull. Pain is something that warns, something worse is going to hapen, if they don't stop.

Its true that pain does this, but different organisms have different nervous systems. The level and complexity of the nervous system determines the senses of the animal. And inverts nervous system is not as complex as a mammals, and its now debatable to whether they can feel pain, which is why these experiments are taking place.
 
davo;1282465; said:
I agree, it's hardly conclusive... especially when just using the antenna. I'm not sure if there would be a particularly good way to test it.

We were testing zeolites capacity to remove ammonia from the water and tried some not so scientific chemical tests out. We only did this with one freshwater crayfish in a 1000 liter tank.

We let the ammonia spike to the crayfish's tolerance at 5ppm, with no trace of nitrite at this point. In 24 hours of this quite toxic level of ammonia the crayfish did not show any outward physical signs that anything was hurting it.

Then, after 24 hours we added powdered, pure zeolite at 138grams, which completely neutralized the ammonia. The water went a clay color, which was expected. Still the crayfish showed no issue with that.

On with the pain issue...

We then gradually added sodium hypochlorite 10% (Pool Chlorine) and got it up to 100ppm. Now at this level Chlorine will kill just about any aquatic animal and indeed it did kill the crayfish.

What was gory but interesting was the crayfish began "clawing" at its mouth and flicked about the tank (trying to escape) and the whole time all of its legs and claws were grabbing at its mouth. Obviously, the Chlorine was "burning" it gills and it looked to be in a great deal of pain...
 
That's pretty horrible... but interesting none the less. What were you doing it for?
 
Crusty;1282635; said:
What was gory but interesting was the crayfish began "clawing" at its mouth and flicked about the tank (trying to escape) and the whole time all of its legs and claws were grabbing at its mouth. Obviously, the Chlorine was "burning" it gills and it looked to be in a great deal of pain...

What was the point of it?
 
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