i used to fish for these when i lived in Ft. Lauderdale. only way I've ever caught them is on bread that i didnt roll into a ball. just break a piece off the slice and hook it on. it has to be floating and you have to find the ones that are eating. i caught one on a surface lure once too. it was the firetiger pattern so the bottom was bright orange. just layed it in the water by the tilapia and it came up and ate it. basically, you have to find them when they are feeding and just float a bait by them dont move it.