Market shrimp: raw vs. cooked. Is there really a difference? *pic*

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Del was right. On top of the damaged cell walls due to the freezing process (the ice crystals zoodiver was talking about in post #16 of that link) thawing in hot water is, to a less extent, like cooking it (denaturing proteins) which is not nearly as beneficial to animals whose digestive systems have evolved to eat uncooked meat.
 
here's the post i was talking about...


DeLgAdO;875487; said:
we all put heavy emphasis on good water quality to keep our fish in top health, but i feel that NUTRITION is up there with water quality as the most important, in my household i cannot put enough emphasis on good nutrition for my animals, and sometimes i feel a varied diet is enough......

SO......

heres is what i do to nutritionally enhance my foods, specifically the shrimp.

here we go,

take a bag of shrimp

i use this kind since i work in a grocery store, i use to buy it from the seafood department but i found out that they take these bags throw em in hot water to defrost and put them on display for sale, then i buy it, freeze it, and defrost it, and the quality is greatly diminished :irked: so i just buy the bags.


next i guesstimate at how much i need, usually an entire bowl is eaten the same day but sometime i have left overs and feed it the next or following day.




ok time to defrost, alway use cold water, NEVER HOT, you will denature the protein of the shrimp, in other words you alter or destroy the protein of the shrimp and ruin its quality.




and remember always remove those tail spines, i try and get all of them while the waters flowing, but if i miss one or afew i always double check the shrimp during feeding time before i toss it in.


ahhhhh nothing like nicely cleaned and defrosted shrimp! :thumbsup:



ok.......time for the marinade, i use vitachem as my primary, but you can use other suppliments if you like or even combine them for more benifits.



all i do is lightly and evenly squirt the vitachem over each and every shimp



add some garlic for flavor :D i use a half full eye dropper



time to toss it in the fridge. i use saran wrap because its air tight.


cover it up



aaaaaaaand toss it in the fridge for over night marinading :), btw i always to this night before and feed in the afternoon (i go to bed late and wake up about 12 or 1 pm..)

 
more from that thread...

Zinq;879067; said:
Sorry, I don't mean to be an ass or anything of the sort.

But why does denaturing the protein affect its nutritional content? From my understanding of digestion (at least in humans and I'm assuming other animals), all proteins/carbs must be broken down to their constituent amino acids/glucose molecules before they can be absorbed across the intestines. I can see how heat will denature the proteins, hence changing their forms, but I don't see how that would possibly affect the digestion process. Digestive enzymes aren't very specific about shape of the protein. Would it be possible to show me some credible evidence of this denatured protein concept? (Once again, don't misunderstand me, this is in no way an attack on you, but just for my own understanding.)

Though I'm not suggesting that your technique involving cold water defrosting rather than warm water isn't sound. Being a microbiology student, I can easily see how defrosting shrimp in warm water then putting it in the fridge will cause a huge explosion of bacteria. Microbiology aside, one doesnt defrost food one cooks in warm water, then refrigerates it anyways, it's culinary common sense. Though immediate consumption of warm water defrosted foods shouldn't be a problem.

DeLgAdO;879180; said:
im refering to scolding hot water

several of our remembers dump the shrimp in scolding hot water and are defrosted in seconds.

time to use the bold lettering :)




btw im a marine biology student, sup brah! :)

i hope that clears things up, or maybe i missed something and you point out what i missed.

gotta get back to this paper im doing on killer whale hunting strategies, its my final and its due today :(

mike-

Zinq;879390; said:
Cool,:headbang2 marine biology, that's a field I've always been interested in.

One point though, (too many molecular biology classes), I understand the whole concept of denaturation via heat, pH, etc etc. But I don't understand why it matters whether a protein that is going to be digested is biologically active or not.

I can see how the digestive enzyme itself has to be in it's optimal environment but why must the protein to be digested also be in its original conformation?

One possible argument I can foresee would be that fish have digestive enzymes that are more particular, only able to break down proteins in certain conformations. I have no clue whether that's true or not seeing that I know little about fish physiology. But in humans, we break down and absorb about 98% of all the protein in our diet, with our broad spectrum enzymes and what not, randomly cleaving here n there.

Anyways, could you explain how come the conformation of the protein that is going to be digested matters?

Thanks

PS. Good luck with your paper, seems like a really interesting topic.
 
found this online:

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Denaturation-(biochemistry)

> Denaturation (biochemistry) http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Image:Fried-egg,-sunny-side-up.jpg
Irreversible egg protein denaturation and loss of solubility, caused by the high temperature (while cooking it)


Denaturation is the alteration of a protein or nucleic acid's shape through some form of external stress (for example, by applying heat, acid or alkali), in such a way that it will no longer be able to carry out its cellular function. In biology, the shape and form of biological compounds such as proteins critically determine the function of the protein. Under stress, the shape and form (protein structure and protein folding) of the protein warp, and the protein changes (denatures) due to its inability to retain its old shape. Common examples


When food is cooked, some of its proteins become denatured. This is why boiled eggs become hard and cooked meat becomes firm.

A classic example of denaturing in proteins comes from egg whites, which are largely egg albumins in water. Fresh from the eggs, egg whites are transparent and liquid. But by cooking they are turned opaque and white, and form an interconnected solid mass. The same transformation can be effected with a denaturing chemical. Pouring egg whites into a beaker of acetone will also turn egg whites opaque and solid. The skin which forms on curdled milk is another common example of denatured protein. And the traditional Peruvian cold appetizer known as ceviche is prepared by chemically "cooking" raw fish and shellfish in an acidic citrus marinade, without heat. Albumen redirects here. ... The egg white is a clear liquid (also called albumen or ovalbumin) contained within a birds egg. ... For other uses, see Liquid (disambiguation). ... For other uses, see Solid (disambiguation). ... The chemical compound acetone (also known as propanone, dimethyl ketone, 2-propanone, propan-2-one and β-ketopropane) is the simplest representative of the ketones. ... Curdled is also the name of a Quentin Tarantino film. ... Peruvian ceviche with lobster and shrimp Ceviche (also spelled as cebiche or seviche) is a form of citrus marinated seafood salad that originated in the Viceroyalty of Peru. ...

Although denaturation can be irreversible, an example of reversible denaturing in proteins is the modern permanent wave technique for curling or straightening hair. Turn of the century advertisement for Nesslers permanent wave machine. ...


Protein denaturation

Denatured proteins can exhibit a wide range of characteristics, from loss of solubility to communal aggregation. Solubility is a chemical property referring to the ability for a given substance, the solute, to dissolve in a solvent. ... Communal aggregation is the phenomenon of aggregation of the hydrophobic proteins to come closer and form the bonding between them, so as to reduce the total area exposed to water. ...


Background

Proteins are very long strands of amino acids linked together in specific sequences. A protein is created by ribosomes that "read" mRNA that is encoded by codons in the gene and assemble the requisite amino acid combination from the genetic instruction, in a process known as translation. The newly created protein strand then undergoes posttranslational modification, in which additional atoms or molecules are added, for example copper, zinc or iron. Once this post-translational modification process has been completed, the protein begins to fold (spontaneously, and sometimes with enzymatic assistance), curling up on itself so that hydrophobic elements of the protein are buried deep inside the structure and hydrophilic elements end up on the outside. The final shape of a protein determines how it interacts with its environment. A representation of the 3D structure of myoglobin, showing coloured alpha helices. ... Phenylalanine is one of the standard amino acids. ... Figure 1: Ribosome structure indicating small subunit (A) and large subunit (B). ... RNA codons. ... The structure of part of a DNA double helix Deoxyribonucleic acid, or DNA, is a nucleic acid molecule that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms. ... Translation is the second process of protein biosynthesis (part of the overall process of gene expression). ... Posttranslational modification is the chemical modification of a protein after its translation. ... For other uses, see Atom (disambiguation). ... 3D (left and center) and 2D (right) representations of the terpenoid molecule atisane. ... For other uses, see Copper (disambiguation). ... General Name, symbol, number zinc, Zn, 30 Chemical series transition metals Group, period, block 12, 4, d Appearance bluish pale gray Standard atomic weight 65. ... For other uses, see Iron (disambiguation). ... Neuraminidase ribbon diagram An enzyme (in Greek en = in and zyme = blend) is a protein, or protein complex, that catalyzes a chemical reaction and also controls the 3D orientation of the catalyzed substrates. ... In chemistry, hydrophobic or lipophilic species, or hydrophobes, tend to be electrically neutral and nonpolar, and thus prefer other neutral and nonpolar solvents or molecular environments. ... The adjective hydrophilic describes something that likes water (from Greek hydros = water; philos = friend). ...

When a protein is denatured, the secondary and tertiary structures are altered but the peptide bonds between the amino acids are left intact. Since the structure of the protein determines its function, the protein can no longer perform its function once it has been denatured. This is in contrast to intrinsically unstructured proteins, which are unfolded in their native state, but still functionally active. A representation of the 3D structure of the Myoglobin protein. ... In biochemistry, the tertiary structure of a protein is its overall shape. ... A peptide bond is a chemical bond that is formed between two molecules when the carboxyl group of one molecule reacts with the amino group of the other molecule, releasing a molecule of water (H2O). ... Intrinsically unstructured proteins, often referred to as naturally unfolded proteins or disordered proteins, are proteins characterized by their lack of stable secondary structure as isolated subunits. ... In biochemistry, the native state of a protein is its operative or functional form. ...


How denaturation occurs at levels of protein structure

See also: Protein structure
  • In quaternary structure denaturation, protein sub-units are dissociated and/or the spatial arrangement of protein subunits is disrupted.
  • Tertiary structure denaturation involves the disruption of:


Proteins are an important class of biological macromolecules present in all biological organisms, made up of such elements as carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and sulfur. ... In biochemistry, many proteins are actually assemblies of more than one protein (polypeptide) molecule, which in the context of the larger assemblage are known as protein subunits. ... In biochemistry, the tertiary structure of a protein is its overall shape. ... Covalent bonding is a form of chemical bonding characterized by the sharing of one or more pairs of electrons between atoms, in order to produce a mutual attraction, which holds the resultant molecule together. ... The term Side chain can have different meanings depending on the context: In chemistry and biochemistry a side chain is a part of a molecule attached to a core structure. ... A disulfide bond (SS-bond), also called a disulfide bridge, is a strong covalent bond between two sulfhydryl groups. ... Cysteine is a naturally occurring, sulfur-containing amino acid that is found in most proteins, although only in small quantities. ... The Earths magnetic field, which is approximately a dipole. ... For other uses, see Solvent (disambiguation). ... In chemistry, the term van der Waals force originally referred to all forms of intermolecular forces; however, in modern usage it tends to refer to intermolecular forces that deal with forces due to the polarization of molecules. ... A representation of the 3D structure of the Myoglobin protein. ... Side view of an α-helix of alanine residues in atomic detail. ... Diagram of β-pleated sheet with H-bonding between protein strands The β sheet (also β-pleated sheet) is the second form of regular secondary structure in proteins — the first is the alpha helix — consisting of beta strands connected laterally by three or more hydrogen bonds, forming a generally twisted, pleated sheet. ... Illustration of a 3-dimensional polypeptide A random coil is a polymer conformation where the monomer subunits are oriented randomly while still being bonded to adjacent units. ... A protein primary structure is a chain of amino acids. ... A peptide bond is a chemical bond that is formed between two molecules when the carboxyl group of one molecule reacts with the amino group of the other molecule, releasing a molecule of water (H2O). ...
Loss of function

Most biological proteins lose their biological function when denatured. For example, enzymes lose their catalytic activity, because the substrates can no longer bind to the active site, and because amino acid residues involved in stabilizing substrates' transition states are no longer positioned to be able to do so. Ribbon diagram of the enzyme TIM, surrounded by the space-filling model of the protein. ... In chemistry and biology, catalysis is the acceleration (increase in rate) of a chemical reaction by means of a substance, called a catalyst, that is itself not consumed by the overall reaction. ... The active site of an enzyme is the binding site where catalysis occurs. ... The transition state of a chemical reaction is a particular configuration along the reaction coordinate. ...


Reversibility and irreversibility

In many proteins (unlike egg whites), denaturation is reversible (the proteins can regain their native state when the denaturing influence is removed). This was important historically, as it led to the notion that all the information needed for proteins to assume their native state was encoded in the primary structure of the protein, and hence in the DNA that codes for the protein. The structure of part of a DNA double helix Deoxyribonucleic acid, or DNA, is a nucleic acid molecule that contains the genetic instructions used in the development and functioning of all known living organisms. ...


Nucleic acid denaturation

The denaturation of nucleic acids such as DNA due to high temperatures, is the separation of a double strand into two single strands, which occurs when the hydrogen bonds between the strands are broken. This may occur during polymerase chain reaction. Nucleic acid strands realign when "normal" conditions are restored during annealing. If the conditions are restored too quickly, the nucleic acid strands may realign imperfectly.
 
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