Mekong giant catfish vs Arapaima gigas.

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The old reports of 8-9m sturgeons are not credible, as well as the 7m for the chinese paddlefish. But anyway, those animals can both reach enormous sizes. The beluga sturgeon Huso huso is recorded to reach about 6m and more than 1000 kg (a hypothetical and non existent 8m long specimen would weigh more than three times of this, but there were never records of such heavy sturgeons), and the chinese paddlefish is also recorded with recent photo material to reach well over 3m in length.
There are several freshwater species which reach all about the same maximum length in the range of about 2,5-3m, the giant Mekong catfish Pangasianodon gigas and santiwongsei, the arapaima, the wels and the alligator gar, with the first two catfish species being clearly the heaviest.
To come again of attacks on humans. Most accidents in saltwater are caused by sharks, some also by barracudas, morays and sometimes perhaps very large groupers (I don´t count stingrays, because they only defend and not attack to kill and eat). But in the whole there are not much fish which ever attacked humans, and most of them are sharks. The giant freshwater fish are all comparably harmless. Neither the arapaima nor the wels have big teeth, the don´t attack really large prey, because they have to swallow them whole. As far as I know there are also no records of alligator gars attacking humans. The giant mekong catfish are mainly planteaters and harmless anyway. So I think there was hardly ever an incident in which a big freshwater fish ever attacked a human. There are some few reports of big pikes which did bite swimming humans, but it is very probable, that this were accidents of the pikes, which thought the finger were small fish or so.
 

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We should check the latest Guiness Book of records or some of the international fishing records for the largest freshwater fish recorded. They are pretty strict with their authentication. 2.63m for Arapaima seems a bit short - thought I'd seem heaps of them bigger than that.
Its impossible to generalise on species behaviour as these are vastly different giant fish. I think you are pretty save in the water with most of these big fish - live humans are not their normal diet and some are purely vegetarian. They are all certainly physically capeable of accidently killing a human or child by drowning, spearing, impact or blood loss. Many of these are scavengers and do eat mammal corpses.
I wouldnt go any where near a giant Goonch - nasty nasty nasty. :yuck: Particularly in India downstream of a cremation site.
 

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Even the Guiness book is no respectable source, because they also cited a lot of unproven tell-taled sizes as facts. In one book I have, you can even read the obscure 4,5m for the arapaima. Even in the famous book "Fishes of the World" by Nelson you can find completely false dates about sizes of some fish-species. You can read there for example, that the wels "commonly reaches lengths around 3m". In fact there is not a single specimen which was ever authenticated to exceed 300cm.
But true fishing records are a good source, because they have really high standards for their dates. For example several years ago, Germanys largest wels was caught only 3-4miles away from where I live. It was 2,47m and weighed 89kg. This fish actually existed, it was even bought and stuffed by Europe´s biggest fishing magazine (I once had the chance to see it when it was exhibited here). But it was not registered as an official record, because the guy which caught it, did not want to say his name.
I think the whole thing with the goonch is highly exagerated, those journalists want just sell monster-stories.
 

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As far as I know all the weights for the large freshwater stingrays were only estimated and not really weighed, and I have still some doubts about the alleged weights. Given their enormous bulkyness, I still suppose Pangasianodon gigas is heavier.
 

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To answer this question I think we'll need to give it a couple of hundred years without fishing and then catching 100 adult specimens of each species and then bring out the measuring tape.

Its not the biggest but personally I wouldn't get to close to a starving Jau, I'm pretty skinny and Ive seen my tsn down some serious pieces of food..
 

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The dates of the 2,78m wels are known, it had a mouth 34cm wide (the inner mouth-width not the complete mouth including "lips"). When completely oppened, this would be probably a little bit wider. Perhaps enough to swallow a very small child, but as my shoulders are about a half metre wide I don´t had to fear such a beast as most adults too.
 

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a piraiba has a pretty wide mouth. Look at the one Larry Dahlberg caught on youtube.
 
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