Murray cod

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Thats a nice sized cod.

The ones I always see just lay around which turned me off from getting them.

So I bought datnoids instead...
 

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Steve_89 said:
Thats a nice sized cod.

The ones I always see just lay around which turned me off from getting them.

So I bought datnoids instead...
Previously I'd never really seen many in private aquariums, I had seen a couple in large aquariums(Melbourne aquarium etc.) and they seemed reasonably responsive to 'spectators'. I had seen a few Sleepy Cod in LFS's and yeah all they seemed to do is lay in a corner and do nothing! Knowing their nature I thought I may have the same problem with the MC, but had always wanted one so got it anyway! :grinyes:

Mine does spend a bit of time lazing under a log or hiding in a hole, but is still very responsive to people outside the tank. He will come up the glass when I approach the tank, and move around searching under the wood for yabbies and things, he digs burrows in the sand(this is funny to watch). Maybe not as active as a mid water fish but just as active as any other bottom dweller I've had(besides some catfish). The big one at Boronia aquarium(pictured above) was very responsive too(he didnt really have anywhere to hide though), it came straight up to the glass when I approached and I ran my hand across the top of the tank and he followed it across. But I've also had a few guys contact me and say that all theirs does is hide and the only time they get to see it is if they disturb its hiding position? Maybe its just luck of the draw? :confused:
 

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Also he will not eat his feeders in front of me, he will wait until I get out of the room. This is one stubborn fish.
The ones I always see just lay around which turned me off from getting them.
This is all part of the same problem. What problem? A lot of Murray cod can be quite timid for the first few months of life. Be patient! Most Murray cod, upon reaching a certain size (20-30cm, which can be achieved in less than a year) suddenly realise there's nothing to fear, and that they're the boss of their tank, and suddenly become very confident and outgoing.

Most of the 30cm+ Murray cod I've seen in tanks have been stunningly alert and interactive fish - always in mid water, always turning to face you when you walk up to the tank, and always begging to be fed. Mine smashes goldfish (when I give them to him) in 3 seconds flat and he also takes grasshoppers off the surface in big surface strikes. Awesome fun. My Cod is about a year old now and is 30cm - I could have easily grown him even larger in that time but I'm trying not to, so that he'll last in my 5 foot tank for another year.

Murray cod are NOT to be confused with Sleepy Cod (Oxyeleotris lineolatus). Sleepy cod are unrelated and are in a completely different genus and family. Sleepy cod WILL simply sit there and not do much.

RE temperatures, Murray cod would be OK in a 27 degree tank with tropicals. I would be cautious of taking the temp much higher though. I noticed somebody said their cod tank got into the low 30s. In my opinion this is too high - it is pushing the upper temperature limits of Murray cod - and should be reduced somehow. So, in short 27 degrees would be OK if you wanted to keep a Murray cod with tropicals. By itself, 24 degrees is a good temperature for Murray cod, and there's no need to go higher.

I've only heard of em, apparently they are the only natural predators of the largest Crayfish in the world The Murray Crayfish
Actually, the largest crayfish in the world is the Tasmanian Giant Freshwater Crayfish (Astacopsis gouldi). Reliably recorded over 80cm in length and up to 6kg in weight in the early days. Such giants would have been many decades old however and due to many years of overfishing (now banned thankfully) no longer exist today. The Murray River Crayfish (Euastacus armatus) is the 2nd biggest crayfish in Australia after the Tasmanian Giant Freshwater Crayfish. Murray River Crayfish are probably the 2nd biggest crayfish in the world too, but I can't confirm that.

And yes, big Murray cod are probably the only predators of big Murray River crayfish. Big crays are still vulnerable after moulting when their shells are soft. Smaller native fish would get stuck into juvenile Murray River Crayfish .
 

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Goodoo said:
Actually, the largest crayfish in the world is the Tasmanian Giant Freshwater Crayfish (Astacopsis gouldi). Reliably recorded over 80cm in length and up to 6kg in weight in the early days. Such giants would have been many decades old however and due to many years of overfishing (now banned thankfully) no longer exist today. The Murray River Crayfish (Euastacus armatus) is the 2nd biggest crayfish in Australia after the Tasmanian Giant Freshwater Crayfish. Murray River Crayfish are probably the 2nd biggest crayfish in the world too, but I can't confirm that.
Wow, I'd never actually heard of a Tasmanian Freshwater Giant Crayfish! you've got me intrigued, I wonder if its possible to get hold of one for an aquarium?

Thanks for posting the MC info too :thumbsup:
 

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Tasmanian Department of Primary Industries Fisheries Site should have info on them.

They are protected now so they are probably VERY difficult to get hold of, and would almost certainly require a permit.

The Giant Tasmanian Freshwater Crayfish is an awesome creature, and is severely threatened by massive siltation caued by $#@#%$%^$ clear-felling logging by good old Gunns we-own-Tassie-and-have-bribed-the-politicians-and-can-do-what-the-f***-we-like Limited.


Simon
 

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Goodoo said:
The Giant Tasmanian Freshwater Crayfish is an awesome creature, and is severely threatened by massive siltation caued by $#@#%$%^$ clear-felling logging by good old Gunns we-own-Tassie-and-have-bribed-the-politicians-and-can-do-what-the-f***-we-like Limited.
I hear you there :(

Here is some info I just dug up on the Giant Tassie Feshwater Cray(look at those claws! :eek: ) :



Facts
Kingdom Animalia
Phylum Arthropoda
Class Crustacea
Order Decapoda
Family Parastacidae
Genus Astacopsis (1)

Size Length: 40 cm (2)
Weight 2 – 3 kg (2)

Status

Classified as Endangered (EN - A1ace, B1 + 2abce) on the IUCN Red List 2003 (1) and as Vulnerable on Tasmania's Threatened Species Protection Act 1995 (3).

Description

This magnificent crayfish is the largest known freshwater invertebrate and has particularly powerful pinchers (2). They range in colour, according to habitat and location, from dull brown to greeny-black, but can have steely blue sides, or be dazzling blue all over (4).

Range

The giant freshwater crayfish was previously found in all rivers that flow into the Bass Strait, which runs between Tasmania and the Australian mainland. Today, however, the distribution is patchy and limited to less disturbed areas (3).
View a distribution map for this species at UNEP World Conservation Monitoring Centre

Habitat

These crustaceans inhabit dark, slow-moving rivers and streams with high water quality and little suspended sediment, as well as still, deep pools with logs and overhanging banks to shelter beneath (2) (3) (4). The water needs to be below 18 oC with high oxygen content (5).

Biology

The giant freshwater crayfish is a mere 6 mm long as a hatchling, and matures extremely slowly, living for up to 40 years (5). Reproductive maturity occurs at around nine years in males and 14 years in females, with females breeding just once every two years (2). Mating occurs in autumn and the eggs, attached to the female's swimming legs during development, hatch the following summer, remaining attached to the swimming legs as hatchlings for another month. Such a long reproductive process means that females spend much of their life with their young attached to their legs – a good strategy as fully grown adults have no natural predators (2). However, fishing of adult crayfish by humans results in the removal of not only the adults but all their young as well (3).

The giant freshwater crayfish is omnivorous, eating primarily rotting wood and animal flesh, as well as leaves and insects that fall into the water. Juveniles tend to hide in shallow water where they are less at risk from their large predators including fish and platypuses. Adults hide under submerged logs in deep pools where they appear to tolerate each other, despite being aggressive elsewhere (5).

Threats

The major threat to this species has been over-fishing, since these crayfish are a popular food dish, but this has not been sustainable due to extremely slow maturation and infrequent breeding (5). Habitat loss is also a threat, as a result of increasing agricultural expansion, forestry operations and changes in water quality (3). In-stream barriers have reduced the dispersal potential of the crayfish and erosion following agricultural expansion has caused silty water, which is less favourable for the giant freshwater crayfish (4).

Conservation

The decline of giant freshwater crayfish numbers following intense resulted in a fishing ban in January 1998, although an ongoing commitment is needed in order for the crayfish to recover from its endangered status. Population surveys and behavioural research are being undertaken in order to be able to provide better habitat protection and improved management of riverbank vegetation (3).

Further Information

For more information see:

Animal Diversity Web (September 2004):
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/site/accounts/information/Astacopsis_gouldi.html
Taken from: http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/i...d_freshwater/Astacopsis_gouldi/more_info.html

An interesting thing I just read - the humble yabby (Cherax destructor) is an introduced pest in Tassie!
 

Goodoo

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These crustaceans inhabit dark, slow-moving rivers and streams with high water quality and little suspended sediment...
So you can just imagine what clear-felling does for them.... :-(


The giant freshwater crayfish is a mere 6 mm long as a hatchling...
And you can imagine what those nasty introduced Trout do to this vulnerable life stage.
 
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