One day I promise not to be lazy and post pictures. I lost one orino and 3 of the dats. I can't figure out what happened to the dats, I posted in the dat section a long time ago about the issues I was having with them but didn't get much help. One by one they all stopped swimming and would just rest on the bottom of the tank. Then they couldn't even sit straight and would need to rest against the side of the tank. At first it was just two of them so I put them in the 210 since that tank was fairly empty, but they never snapped out of it. I only have one left, but he's the size of a large phone book. Probably close to 12" if not bigger.