Red high Fin wolf fish

Charney

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a lot of fish have characteristic markings that can be used to identify them from similiar species. That is what I am asking if this is the case. All people are Homo sapiens regardless of color. These rainbows may all be Erythrinus erythrinus variants are they very well may not be and be erythrinus ..... Look at the geophagus. It is a fish I do not deal with often and really can't tell a lot of the similiar looking ones apart. Though those comfortable with geos can tell them apart right away.
 

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I do not belive this was an argument it was a discussion. The comment " This is going to be one drawn out, stupid, pointless argument until people realize all of the above and that it isnt worth it" really has no place I do not feel anone has posted anything stupid .Very negative and pointless comment. I like to go by the motto if you do not have anything nice to say do not say it or post it.
 

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There are definitely cases.

But the actual, scientific debate on whether or not there are multiple species of Erythrinus erythrinus is very much still out.

To be calling them anything than different morphs or local variants is very forward as any fish biologist is concerned.

Maybe someday they will run DNA testing and find that due to the somewhat extensive range there is on average a 1.5-2% difference between these and they will give some guy his species of fish as a bone for a life time of taxonomic work.

These most likely should not be split in my mind, unless there is substantial (at least 3-4%) genetic difference between them, which I doubt there is.

On an evolutionary timescale - these differences are nothing.

We Homo sapien have been around for a fragment of a second - and yet we have highly (morphologically) different relatives. Genetically I believe that difference is what it looks like when two species have just split, which, in the big scheme of things we have.

The division of Erythrinus erythrinus I believe is something similar, genetics maintained in some areas of collection are enough different that you might notice different patterning.

At worst it is a myth, and age, and just difference between individuals is what is amounting to all this confusing.

I am more more hesitant rather than less to go off declaring things a species without any scientific basis other than coloration; in training to become a fish biologist, they often teach us to identify species without the coloration because it can be misleading, and it varies quite widely within species.
 

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Charney the mad scientist.... the wolves looked good... I was there lol. Worst case you get them grow them a bit aren't happy and sell them.... At the size they are and the difuculty iding its a shot in the dark. Your Geo reference is a perfect example, i have geos and can tell the difference of most of them when they are small if compared to others. Give me one juvi of the "surinemnsis" group and its a guess at best.
 

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Are these different than red wolf fish? Or is the name red high fun wolf fish the full name?

they look great, how much do they go for?
 
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