I think Jeff Rapps has those on his list now in the Amphilophus sectionThanks for the info, originally what got me real interested into amphilophus was the so called "red islatus" is that another form of Midas cichlid ? I'm going to wait for these to be on rapps list or dans at cichlid of the Americas if I can't find any then I will go for an Amarillo or barred Midas i like the big dominant Nuchal hump