Tariffs, trade wars, and tropical fish

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Hello; My decision to try to keep only tank raised fish had nothing to do with where they come from. More from my over 60 years of keeping freshwater tropical fish and learning about how they are captured, handled and shipped. In my youth I was drawn to the new and exotic. I sought out new to me and often the hobby wild finds. As I discovered the conditions and death rates of the hobby I began to retreat from involvement. Not ethical enough to walk away from the hobby. Just participating at a hypocritic level some easier to live with. But this thread is not about the ethics of the hobby.

Truth, being I do not know how much equipment is made overseas or outside of the USA. A guess is, like most things, plenty is not made here. I think one of my points is being made. Just saw that tariffs on over 70 countries which did not retaliate are having the increase rate paused for 90 days so as to work things out. Still too early to call but perhaps the sky will not fall after all.
Next to no filters, heaters, pumps or other equipment for aquariums are manufactured in the US. And won’t be anytime soon. Expect higher prices - Chinese tariffs are still in place.

Many tank bred fish come from overseas. Even from Florida farms.

Bottom line is that this tariff chaos represents one more challenge for aquarium retailers.
 
Buy German after the 0% tariff on European imports goes into effect. Fluval and Eheim are far superior anyhow, and AquaHaus exports high quality Cichlids into the US as well. Pretty sure Stendker Discus shut down, but Discus Hans who live on the east coast still supplies high quality discus.
Hopefully in the US shipping prices come down again with some of the energy sector changes happening. I am already saving minimally $100/week on gas for our 3 vehicles in Ohio. Different states tax gas/energy differently, but if the overall production and supply cost decreases everyone should see some benefits in the hip pocket.
Some of the business I used to buy fish online from used to have flat rate $35 lower 48 shipping. Hopefully those types of shipping fee changes will happen as well 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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people who wanna come to work for someone else, spend their whole shift on tic toc or IG and whine and complain about having to be there as “a slave to the man”. So tiring…
Hello; Such is the state of the working world that so profound a statement is also much too common. In my longest running job I got 10 sick days a year. Even after a major surgery on myself and having to take some days off for a sick wife I had nearly a years' worth of sick days accumulated. There was a sick day bank we could donate sick days to for which the idea was someone in dire straits could borrow days if they ran out. A thing was a regular few were always short of days and not because of serious illness. They just took days off because they could.
 
I certainly agree with not overpaying for things, and maximizing the stretch of our hard earned money. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of governments of every type globally in that respect 🤷🏻‍♂️
I was actually speaking more to a “do less, get paid more, pay less” mentality.
At the end of the day each worker has got to bring more value to the business they are getting paid by in order to justify the position they hold. I have worked with countless people who wanna come to work for someone else, spend their whole shift on tic toc or IG and whine and complain about having to be there as “a slave to the man”. So tiring…
I’m glad for all the lazy/do the minimum cvnts out there, so easy to out compete them, take their clients/jobs etc. Ive lived in only 2 continents and 3 countries, but I’ve live in 3 states in Australia. Every time I’ve worked my way up to the nearest top of each profession, from a Chef to civil construction to survey and now geophysics. But it’s a pain in the ass when it comes to employees.
 
Next to no filters, heaters, pumps or other equipment for aquariums are manufactured in the US. And won’t be anytime soon.
Hello; I repeat that i have been in the hobby a long time. Since 1959. I witnessed the way so many things moved out of the USA to be made. I use to be able to buy USA made stuff. This was not an accident of any sort as most understand. Moving manufacture out of country became business as usual. Wish I knew of a perfect analogy to describe the big crisis looming if that "business as usual" continues. We are moving toward a cliff edge. Perhaps a lemming analogy might partially work . Work in that we picture a long line of lemmings at the cliff edge with some already fallen into the abyss long ago. More lemmings (in country manufacturing) fall over day by day. The closing of plants with the loss of jobs has become so business as usual that such is hardly remarked upon.

A reversal of the trends will not, as you say, happen quickly. I get such. In the last few years I have needed tires and batteries for my vehicles. I made a point to find USA made when i could. Did Ok with batteries. Did halfway good with tires. Found some Cooper tires for my truck, but after waiting for over six months had to settle with some Falken for my car.
 
Hello; I repeat that i have been in the hobby a long time. Since 1959. I witnessed the way so many things moved out of the USA to be made. I use to be able to buy USA made stuff. This was not an accident of any sort as most understand. Moving manufacture out of country became business as usual. Wish I knew of a perfect analogy to describe the big crisis looming if that "business as usual" continues. We are moving toward a cliff edge. Perhaps a lemming analogy might partially work . Work in that we picture a long line of lemmings at the cliff edge with some already fallen into the abyss long ago. More lemmings (in country manufacturing) fall over day by day. The closing of plants with the loss of jobs has become so business as usual that such is hardly remarked upon.

A reversal of the trends will not, as you say, happen quickly. I get such. In the last few years I have needed tires and batteries for my vehicles. I made a point to find USA made when i could. Did Ok with batteries. Did halfway good with tires. Found some Cooper tires for my truck, but after waiting for over six months had to settle with some Falken for my car.
I’ve been keeping aquariums for a long time as well. The point is that the tariffs (taxes) that we’ve imposed on ourselves will make *nearly all* aquarium equipment more expensive. Whether and when manufacturing of aquarium equipment comes back to the US is to be determined. But if it does, it certainly won’t make filters, heaters, pumps, etc any cheaper.
 
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Whether and when manufacturing of aquarium equipment comes back to the US is to be determined. But if it does, it certainly won’t make filters, heaters, pumps, etc any cheaper.
This is merely your opinion, which you are entitled too, but it’s not a factual statement. No company would bother risking the start up expenses if producing equipment onshore would mean they couldn’t compete with the international production market on pricing. This is the most basic business principle. Of course where the tariffs end up once the dust settles is relevant to this economic equation. Like you say, whether or not aquarium equipment production will happen within the US is yet to be seen. If retailers are being honest, German equipment prices should drop once the 0% EU tariff goes into effect. If that makes high quality German equipment cheaper than the Chinese stuff, China would have to decrease costs to compete. This is a win win for hobbyists.
In the 45years I’ve been in the hobby in Australia & now the US these past 12 years, the market has “almost” exclusively been supplied by Chinese or German products.
 
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This is merely your opinion, which you are entitled too, but it’s not a factual statement. No company would bother risking the start up expenses if producing equipment onshore would mean they couldn’t compete with the international production market on pricing. This is the most basic business principle. Of course where the tariffs end up once the dust settles is relevant to this economic equation. Like you say, whether or not aquarium equipment production will happen within the US is yet to be seen. If retailers are being honest, German equipment prices should drop once the 0% EU tariff goes into effect. If that makes high quality German equipment cheaper than the Chinese stuff, China would have to decrease costs to compete. This is a win win for hobbyists.
In the 45years I’ve been in the hobby in Australia & now the US these past 12 years, the market has “almost” exclusively been supplied by Chinese or German

Have you or anyone on here ever purchased one of those products? What percent of global market share do us manufactured products represent?
 
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I haven’t, but to be honest, I don’t buy brand new tanks or equipment. Well, I purchased a new Jagger (eheim) heater back in 2015. Every other piece of equipment and my tanks have been pre-loved.
The US global share would be minuscule at best. That’s the point though, it’s hard to compete with the international products because import/export trade tariffs have been so off balance for decades, and under both republican & democrat leadership. US companies haven’t been able to compete at the consumer price point and therefore production has been largely offshore.
 
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