The Hypocrite thread mbu

[puffa lover]

What about the difference in masses of these species & bioload produced by them? We are now upping the minimum tank size for the fahaka at around 180g.

Buy more filters. But an extra 8inchs of fish will not produce that much more bioload.

 

[rustyspurs]

surely filtration has to come into this also. i have filtration for 270 gallon on my 90 gallon tank as i needed this for turts i used to keep. Having kept turts for quite a while im certain theres no way even a mbu puffer has more bio load than a big terrapin and i had 4 in the tank at one point. i just find it strange that filtration is never mentioned along with tank size.

 

[JasonsPlecosCichlids]

Cant say this for everyone but usually when you have a huge tank, most have good filtration. I run a lot of FX5s, Marineland 360's and Emperor 400s on my tanks.

 

[kevinfleming21]

Cant say this for everyone but usually when you have a huge tank, most have good filtration. I run a lot of FX5s, Marineland 360's and Emperor 400s on my tanks.

+1 55 gallon sump with 2 inchoverflow with no restriction LOL, hella pump!

 

[RD.]

What about the difference in masses of these species & bioload produced by them? We are now upping the minimum tank size for the fahaka at around 180g.

Bioload can easily be managed via water changes & proper filtration.
This is precisely in line with the old Army Corps of Engineers dictum of "The Solution to Pollution is Dilution" - which is found in your sig line, Pufferpunk.


The reality is someone with a 500 gallon system and a dialed up auto water change system could potentially provide much higher water quality, and a much higher quality of life, than someone who has a 1,000 gallon system and isn't as attentive with their water changes, or filtration.
Personally I would much rather see an adult Mbu in an 8ft x 3ft x 3ft" tank (approx. 540 gallons), with consistent high water quality, vs one kept in a 1,000 tank with only average water quality.


I think that in this hobby there's a fine line between being compassionate, and being fanatical.

 

[rustyspurs]

yeah that makes sense,
just wondering what puffer the extra filtration would allow me to keep?

 

[knobhill]

Wouldn't be that hard, you just need two puffers of the same size, plus tanks with identical setups and feeding regimes. Test water chem and compare.

I would love to see someone do this! Fahaka vs. Mbu

Now we just need someone to invest in (6) fx-5's, (2) 300g tanks, and a 10" fahaka and mbu. The feeding alone would be thousands a year!

 

[kevinfleming21]

I have both, but there is too much a size difference between the two. I am fairly sure that Fahakas grow MUCH faster than Mbu's as well.

 

[SimonL]

These differences do exist in some species, for example a "freshwater" Dayastis sabina ray compared to a same size Motoro stingray. The first produces massively more waste. I personally wouldn't trust simply bigger filters, the volume of the water needs to be enough to provide some buffering/dilution. For example, if I put a adult Oscar in a 20 gal with an AC110 as filter, the fish is still going to croak as the ph plummets. If you combined this with a constant water exchanger it might work...

 

[Pufferpunk]

Pufferpunk, while you may not have originally come up with that number, you have probably repeated it more times than anyone else.

I'd like to see where I personally have stated this.

an extra 8inchs of fish will not produce that much more bioload.

And 2x the mass?