Tig at local LFS

[cichlaguapote]

what the hell is a tsn lol

Tiger ShovelNose catfish

 

[T1KARMANN]

look if you think a TSN is going to be OK in a 8x2 for 3yrs then go for it

but it wont the tank is not wide enought

its your fish do what you want

but if you think the fish is going to comfy in 2yrs you are fooling youself

 

[pebble]

dont needa keep telling that person what she needs to do. im sure shes aware of what she needs to do in the future, afterall like 90% of the replies say the same exact things. just leave her alone and let her enjoy her fish. =p

 

[Wolf3101]

It would seem that reading comprehention is a lost art...
as far your contention that people had a reason for acting like immature punks goes...theres NEVER a valad reason for this sort of behavure nor can it be defended.

"Apparently you haven't read some of the info that is published and you can tell is wrong just from having any experiance reading it. Let's face it even aquarium dictionary's that'll run you $40.00 or more are lacking in info."

"Trust your book. I go on true hobbiest knowledge along with printed research."

This is a bit confusing...so basicly all books are wrong and yet you do in fact trust "printed research" (published works.) intresting. Must come down to the fact that you only read or "trust" any published information that supports your point.

 

[rallysman]

I have a book that says to use a 60w light bulb to heat the tank.

 

[JCA]

then why are we wasting all this money on heaters???

 

[Bgonz]

Heat .......


These fish need a heated tank


Thats why mine never reached 4 feet



bob

 

[cichlaguapote]

This is a bit confusing...so basicly all books are wrong and yet you do in fact trust "printed research" (published works.) intresting. Must come down to the fact that you only read or "trust" any published information that supports your point.

I mean't I don't trust really any printed book.. Even the newest books are missing species and most have wrong info somewhere. Apparently rally has a book that says you can heat a tank with a 60w light bulb.. lol

I go mostly on internet research that is printed multiple places(I consider info found on the web "printed info") and from people who have owned these beasts and say "this is the growth rate, this is the biggest I've seen, etc". Not just read some written down info in a book and called it a day as my one source of info on the subject. And not my own guesswork thinking a 240g tank will be fine for a tsn for years.

Darwin must be rolling over in his coffin...

 

[jconley]

Quite the feisty group here, been loads of fun to read! Good luck with your beautiful Tiger Shovelnose and try not to let some of the well intentioned but often tactless and overzealous people here get to you

 

[WyldFya]

well, this is how it goes. I'm an old woman and i believe what i read in books about the proper way to care for my fish. And i believe that fish don't get as large in captivity as they do in the wild. And i've already explained my plans for the future of my fish..

and i will NOT be told by children with NO life experience, and who buy and sell animals like commodities how to keep my family members. NO fish that i bring into my home will be sold, not now, not when they are 3 or 4 times the size they are now. the time will NOT come when it's "time" to sell any of them. i made a commitment to care for these animals for the rest of their natural lives and that is exactly what i'm going to do. And any of these fish that outlive me will be cared for by my son and my grandsons.

I tried being nice, i tried to talk to decent people with common interests, but that is obviously not what this board is about unless you're one of the "followers". Please forgive my ignorance, i thought this would be a place that we would be accepted because we love our fish.

Unfortunately in this day and age, internet is the primary source of knowledge. The written word is almost a lost thing, and that is a shame. This is a place for people that are interested in fish, and I hope that you, and your husband, continue to contribute, and enjoy yourselves here.

for the last time a 240gl tank is not big enought for a TSN and as you say you are not moving for 3yrs do you know how hard that fish will be to sell at that size

my tank is 350g and i would even think about a TSN you have to know your limits with fishkeeping and keeping a TSN or RTC is way to big for 90% of fishkeepers the way you are talking about a 240g you think thats big well its not

the books you are reading were writern years ago this is the internet age
you will find people know alot more about fish since the introduction of the internet

This is a poor line of thought. Although it is true that many books were written several years ago, if you look at any of the books that were written by a credible person, they still stand true for the majority of their information. A $40 book is not a book that will have good enough info, unless it only covers a single family of fish. There are many good books out there, but you need to know how to find them. The difference between the internet and books, is that a site can be updated in a few hours, but a book takes months to update. The internet, which can be written by anyone, can only be taken seriously for about 10-20% of the information out there. Books on the other hand, which are written by people that have experience in the fishes actual wild habitat can be taken 50-75% accurately.

Do not judge people who are telling you that 8x2 won't hold him which you orignally had said and that the fish is gonna get huge. I don't know about the others but I know myself, T1 and others are not "kids with no life experiance". In fact I probably am more in touch with reality than you are. I don't care if you're 20 y/o, 40 y/o, or 90 y/o I would tell you the same thing. This fish gets huge and that's all anyone was saying. Age means nothing in a hobby like this. Nor does how long you've been in the hobby. I know 14 y/o kids who could run rings around some of the people who have claimed to be in this hobby for a long time. It's all about where you get your info. The 'net is a great resource, most books/written info tend to be wrong/outdated at some point unless you get lucky and get a good book.

Life experience shows through in how one handles themselves in real life, and on the internet. Many of the remarks said are very childish, both from those that are older, and younger. True life experience would teach you that you should approach others in a respectful, open, and accepting way, rather than saying, "your wrong, I'm right" without knowing any background.

We all love our fish. This is the right board for that. But we also dislike people who mistreat or have this blindset attitude that book/written is always right, or that a fish doesn't need turn around room.

Be careful in what you claim for all. It is true that we all love our fish here. The rest though is only a partial truth. Do not put down people because they choose to use books rather than the internet for the bulk of their research. You have your method, I have my method, and they have theirs. To use one exclusive source for your research is very bad idea. Personally, I use both. In the real world, a paper written based on the internet's sources will not hold up versus a paper based on written and published sources. One thing for sure, WE do not like people that are rude, or disrespectful.


TO ALL

I left this thread open after it was first brought to my attention. I feel that enough information has been thrown out there, and that too many harsh words have been thrown out. Many of you talk about being more mature, or more experienced, or more knowledgeable, but many of you show the exact opposite, and you know who you are. Everyone should learn to exhibit their opinions and knowledge in a respectful manner. I don't care if you are 12 or 100, I expect everyone to show a certain level of maturity.

This thread is now closed.