• We are currently upgrading MFK. thanks! -neo

Types of Kelberi?

mad ness

Candiru
MFK Member
Lot's of Kelberis around Hong Kong LFS's these days. Always like that, nothing then a flood. And they tend to come in lots, all juvis which seems to suggest they're bred. New to cichla and have searched around for an answer with out success.

As I understand it, a "Kelberi" is set apart by the spangling in the pelvic and anal fins. I thought there was only one kind and the stark differences were still variations of the same fish.

Conversation at a LFS with owner claimed there are 5 kinds. 2 from Brazil, 2 from Argentina, and 1 from Malaysia. The word for kelberi in cantonese is "brazilian gold tiger" and thus he said there are only 2 Kelberi Pbass truelly from brazil. These are more rare than the other "kelberi" because access is limited.

He went on to describe the various color types but I couldn't quite catch all that he said. I do remember him saying the true brazilian kelberi's have darker fin color for pelvic fins and white bellies (as opposed to red base color on fins, white bellies instead of yellow/green...

From the photos of kelberi fish found on internet and magazines, i noticed the following major differences. kelberis that a) look like monos with no body speckles, rather typical mono markings with speckles present only in pec/anal fins, b) those that look like (a) but have body speckles running on the upper back only, c) those that are yellow/gold from head to tail with severe full body speckles to the point verticle bars hardly visible d) same as (c) but body base color is darker and d) variations on speckled fins, some are jet black including tail while others are red, or so speckled that speckles run together making most the tail gold and e) red eyes, clear eyes.

Recently aquired kelberis from 2 different sources. apparently some are argentinian and others are brazilian. any more info or links experts can share are most appreciated. thanks!

here's examples of what i mean described above re. different color schemes on kelberi

CkelberiSaoFrancisco_72309-5.jpg

dsc09597pl9.jpg

Cioce_m0.jpg

CkelberiSaoFrancisco_72309-4.jpg
 
Second pic does'nt look much like a kel to me but if mine can grow to even resmble the ones in the bottom pic,that would be fantastic.What's with this Malaysian that you mentioned,introduced into the local waters?
 
by malaysian do you mean bred in malaysia or wild?
because as far as i know,kelberi were not introduced to malaysian waters.
anyways,i believe they are all variants of cichla kelberi.
kelberi as far as i know is the only species with spotting on anal and pelvic fins.
as for the amount of spangling etc.,variation.
is someone really breeding them?
i thought they were all wild caught.
 
my guess is any or all ones i got are bred, not wild caught (all juvis). bred in brazil or somewhere in south america may be. I suppose shipping requirements would be one reason as they could have been sorted into similar small sizes.

went back for more details today.


Brazilian: 32% height to length
Araguaia River - pure white belly/darker fins burgundy to black base color
Torcantis River - Reddish/green in belly area/ fins red base color

Argentina: 25% head to length
No details on river
- greener, not as gold as brazilians

Malaysian: 25% head to length
- similar to Argentina's color. Introduced and bred in open rivers/lakes near coastal areas and thus can not control mixing.
 
mad ness;3621002; said:
Lot's of Kelberis around Hong Kong LFS's these days. Always like that, nothing then a flood. And they tend to come in lots, all juvis which seems to suggest they're bred. New to cichla and have searched around for an answer with out success.

As I understand it, a "Kelberi" is set apart by the spangling in the pelvic and anal fins. I thought there was only one kind and the stark differences were still variations of the same fish.

Conversation at a LFS with owner claimed there are 5 kinds. 2 from Brazil, 2 from Argentina, and 1 from Malaysia. The word for kelberi in cantonese is "brazilian gold tiger" and thus he said there are only 2 Kelberi Pbass truelly from brazil. These are more rare than the other "kelberi" because access is limited.

He went on to describe the various color types but I couldn't quite catch all that he said. I do remember him saying the true brazilian kelberi's have darker fin color for pelvic fins and white bellies (as opposed to red base color on fins, white bellies instead of yellow/green...

From the photos of kelberi fish found on internet and magazines, i noticed the following major differences. kelberis that a) look like monos with no body speckles, rather typical mono markings with speckles present only in pec/anal fins, b) those that look like (a) but have body speckles running on the upper back only, c) those that are yellow/gold from head to tail with severe full body speckles to the point verticle bars hardly visible d) same as (c) but body base color is darker and d) variations on speckled fins, some are jet black including tail while others are red, or so speckled that speckles run together making most the tail gold and e) red eyes, clear eyes.

Recently aquired kelberis from 2 different sources. apparently some are argentinian and others are brazilian. any more info or links experts can share are most appreciated. thanks!

here's examples of what i mean described above re. different color schemes on kelberi
nice to see another HK people here!
don't trust the LFS...these guys only want to get the BIG MONEY. I belive almost all LFS is no experience to grow a kelberi. Everybody import the kelberi and get BIG profit.
 
mad ness;3623169; said:
my guess is any or all ones i got are bred, not wild caught (all juvis). bred in brazil or somewhere in south america may be. I suppose shipping requirements would be one reason as they could have been sorted into similar small sizes.

went back for more details today.


Brazilian: 32% height to length
Araguaia River - pure white belly/darker fins burgundy to black base color
Torcantis River - Reddish/green in belly area/ fins red base color

Argentina: 25% head to length
No details on river
- greener, not as gold as brazilians

Malaysian: 25% head to length
- similar to Argentina's color. Introduced and bred in open rivers/lakes near coastal areas and thus can not control mixing.

its possible theyre bred in south america,we never know.
malaysian??meaning introduced and bred in malaysia(south east asia)?
 
channarox;3623251; said:
its possible theyre bred in south america,we never know.
malaysian??meaning introduced and bred in malaysia(south east asia)?
yea that was the info i got
 
Back
Top