i know they're not surinamensis, they are most likey altifron but then again like almost all of the geos look a like i have a hard time i.d-ing them.Scatocephalus;2022785; said:I can almost guarantee you 100% that they are not surinamensis but rather altifrons. Surinamensis is the catch-all name that importers, wholesalers and retailers use when they can't identify the exact species. For what it's worth. You can call them what you like as they will be gorgeous regardless.