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John's assessment is a very accurate of the reality of how (if you buy an oscar raised in Ohio) it doesn't mean that oscar is adapted to your water in Phoenix, or even Chicago.

Or if you buy a Geophagus that is temporarily held in 7.8 hard water, that doesn't mean that what is needs.
Researching the water conditions if wild or only a few steps from the wild are very important.

Many species imported from the black water rivers like the Rio Negro, have evolved to live in pH 4, soft water, and will not easily adapt to even pH as low as 7.2.

And breeders often cater to the water to a tee, the pH, mineral content and other factors to where species come from, and not buck what particulars certain species need.
 
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John, it’s my impression that people have been importing fish from other continents for many decades. Also, well water vs river water can make a big difference locally.

It sounds like you are suggesting we all keep fish from local rivers and lakes (which I know you don’t mean, but is the best way to assure they are adapted to your water). Most of us don’t want to do that — we want to raise tropical fish. Which means imported.

I don’t know (not an expert) but I suspect fish don’t adapt to different water conditions in just a few generations. I believe evolutionary changes are much more complex and much slower than that.
Which is why I bought an RO filter, even though the city water here is fairly soft (150 TDS).
 
John, it’s my impression that people have been importing fish from other continents for many decades. Also, well water vs river water can make a big difference locally.

It sounds like you are suggesting we all keep fish from local rivers and lakes (which I know you don’t mean, but is the best way to assure they are adapted to your water). Most of us don’t want to do that — we want to raise tropical fish. Which means imported.

I don’t know (not an expert) but I suspect fish don’t adapt to different water conditions in just a few generations. I believe evolutionary changes are much more complex and much slower than that.
Which is why I bought an RO filter, even though the city water here is fairly soft (150 TDS).
No, I'm not suggesting that, although it would remove one big source of potential problems. But I've always been a fan of keeping fish that have evolved in and are adapted to water that is similar to the water that is readily available to me. That doesn't mean they have to come from a local river; the same conditions can exist in many places; like I said, my tap/well water is pretty much what many African cichlid fans strive to create artificially for their fish. And of course, tapwater in the city could be significantly different than water out of a well. If that's the case, it's a possible complication, but doesn't change anything regarding the suitability of one over the other for specific types of fish.

And I agree that fish aren't evolving in a very brief generations in captivity. But individual specimens that come from soft/acid water and are then thrust into hard/alkaline water must either adapt to the sudden change, or not. Some specimens won't make it. Whether the transition occurs at the importer level or the home aquarium level may not make any difference to the percentage that die in the process, but it can make a big difference to the aquarist who buys a bunch of fish and then loses 25% of them as opposed to the aquarist who buys the same number but from a group that have already been culled by the shock of a huge change in parameters. It would be like me taking a netful of one of my fish species that are currently living at 55F in my basement...and dumping them into a tank of 80F water. That would be very stressful for them, and I suspect many would perish. They will be living in that temp without problems next July...but the change will have been gradual, not abrupt.

The degree of adaptability is bound to vary from species to species. A species found in a small area in nature, with stable conditions that don't change much all year and which don't vary across their entire native range, is perhaps much more unforgiving of change. Another species that is found over a vast geographic range, encompassing many different water types, perhaps ranging even into brackish or marine environments, perhaps experiencing large seasonal changes in temperature or other parameters...well, those are likely going to be tough, adaptable fish that can do well almost anywhere.

The grass is always greener over there...

We have aquarists with soft/acidic tap water spending time and money adding minerals to it so that they can keep rift lake cichlids...while at the same time other aquarists with hard/alkaline water are investing time, energy and money in RO units to make their water good for delicate Amazonian species. We have many aquarists living in the cold north running electrical heating devices to keep their tanks at tropical temperatures in cold conditions...while at the same time we have aquarists in the tropics buying chillers because they want fish that can't take the heat. We have aquarists in the centre of North America buying giant bags of salt so that they can create "marine" water hundreds or thousands of miles from any ocean...while at the same time we have people living at the seaside, sometimes practically on the beach, who use tap water made by desalination plants to fill their fresh-water aquariums. The common factor here is that all of those people are fighting nature and they...or more accurately, their fish...are at the mercy of technology.

People are funny creatures. :)
 
Like I said, most of us want to raise tropicals even though we don’t live there. I’m sure you have heard of Tropical Fish Hobbyist.

Additionally it’s not as simple as hard water vs soft water. My tap water is fairly soft (100 TDS), but that’s too soft for some and too hard for others.

But I see your point, John; it would be easier just keeping fish perfectly adapted to your tap water. Make mine chlorine tolerant!
 
Tropical fish, is often a generic term referring to fish from Mexico to Uruaguay, or Nepal to Sri Lanka, or Korea to Thailand.
But the reality is often quite different.
I have kept species from Northern Mexico, and Uruguay.
And fish from both extremes require cool downs
My H carpintus from Laguna Chairel, Mayheros beanii from Mazatlan, Australoheros, and Gymnogeophagus from Ceibal creek in Uruguay, did best when subjected to winter cool downs into and often below the 60s F.
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Paradise fish from Korea often experience cool winter temps, rivers can be snow covered.
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Above a river in Argentina near Buenos Aires
Denisen Barbs come from northen India are endemic streams where water temps seldom rise above 65'F,
while Etroplus surartensus from sourthern India can have trouble with temps under 80:F
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These days where I live my tanks rarely drop below 82 (even at night outside on the patio), so none of the above sub-tropical species would be prudent to keep, and neither do the waters where I collect them (yet note what the generic hobby deems safe)
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Reality of safe water parameters (such a pH), and or temps in what the generic hobby consensus believes can often follow quite different paths .
 
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Thank you for your explanation Duane. Beautiful fish!
I was just twitting John with my comment about TFH.
 
TFH = Temperate Fish Hobbyist
 
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