So after posting it seems that i did not clearly answer so will now. A Good Rose Queen should have a good deep intense color and the physical build of a high quality non deformed BP with males having a small to no visible kok ,regardless of how it was made. A Red Mammon should have a good deep intense color and the physical build of a flowerhorn with males having a well formed kok varying in size to ones own taste ( smaller hard type - large water type).
Again this is just my thoughts on this from personal opinion and discussions from others on it.