Worlds largest freshwater fish

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synodontisjack;1746172;1746172 said:
a fw ray would have to be huge to top 1000lb as they are not deep bodied and i doubt any river system could support something that big, the sturgeon is migratory
Man what do you mean by no river system being big enough to support a 1000lb fish??
Have you seen the Mekong?? I have been there and it's massive and have your heard of the Amazon??
Both these river have the size (Mekong up 4km across, Amozon 11km) and water volume to support such animals easily. The Amazon's volume of discharge alone into the sea can produce fresh water up to 150km out to sea.
River volume and size arise from the area and geographical location of their drainage basins and both these rivers are located in topical areas of high seasonal rainfalls.
Meaning they can easily sustain fish of 1000lb is such species live there....
Knowledge is power man do your research first before jumping to unsubstantiated conclusions.
 

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Acheloos;2288714;2288714 said:
It is really not easy to answer the question which is the largest freshwater fish, not only because you have to discriminate between pure freshwater fish, migratory fish and fish which come on occasion in freshwater.
A very big (and I mean really big) problem is that most of dates of maximum sizes you can find for the biggest specimens of a species are extremely unprobably and highly likely to be big-fish-stories. To take for example the arapaima, the only reason why so many people believe in this 15feet is because there was one single report from the first half of the 19th century that this fish should grow to this size (ever realized that a 15 feet long fish with only 200kg would look like an eel...). I wrote a longer post about this topic: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168521
The same thing is with the wels catfish and many other species too. You will find big-fish-stories everywhere, but if you look how big the actual confirmed records were, you see in general a huge difference.
There are big fish stories for many sturgeons too, as well as for the giant freshwater stingrays and many other ones.
Another problem is how to count, length or weight.

If you only count fish which live in freshwater, there are some very big ones (I don´t write them as a list from the biggest to the smallest):

Wels catfish Silurus glanis: Record size 2,78m and 144kg
Piraiba catfish Brachyplatystoma filamentosum: 2,37 and 142kg
Arapaima : 2,63m and 185kg
Alligator gar: (at least) 2,89m and 165kg
Giant Mekond Catfish: 2,70 and 293kg
Giant freshwater stingray: at leat 3m and well over 100kg
Chinese paddlefish: The often cited report of 7m is only one single report and much larger than anything else, so I would not take it serious. But lengths of more than 3m are confirmed as well a weights of more than 100kg, like the specimen caught some years ago which was 3,30 and weighed 117kg, but actual record sizes would be most probably higher.
There are also some very big other sturgeons which only live in freshwater which are in the 2m range, as well as some other ones.
So if you count only weight, the heaviest freshwater fish with a confirmed weight is most probably the Giant Mekong Catfish, but if you count length there are several species which can reach more length, probably with the chinese paddelfish at the top. This species seems also to be those with the highest average length.
If you count migratory fish you can also count a lot of sturgeons. There are also many figures which are highly dubious like the often cited 8-9m and 1500kg for Beluga sturgeons. Actually the biggest ones which were confirmed were actually about 1500kg in weight (which is really very much over average and as big as a big great white shark), but at this weight they were "only" about as long as 5,5m. A hypothetic 9m beluga would weigh about 6500kg, about as much as a minke whale.
But if you count also species which come only occasional in freshwater, there is possibly even a bigger species.
Sawfish also sometimes swim up in the rivers for example in Australia, and there are many good records of specimens well over 5,5m.
I hear you man ...all these sizes often mentioned for pima's and other species are highly questionable. Pima's over 12ft or 4m please show me a pic.
I have seen 3m or 9ft pima's in pics but 14-15ft please if you have seen them prove it. Hearsay and anecdotal evidence means nothing when your talking about fish stories. It's all very much like Chinese whispers without pics as hard evidence.
Everything was bigger in the past that is true but so is the exageration of it over time.
 

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Druu;2397836;2397836 said:
Arapaima gigas
Exactly.....don't you read the other threads and the abbriviations people use for fish common to MFK. Maybe I should have used gigga's....
 

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Okay, all right. Yes, of course you can very often read that the arapaima is the largest freshwater fish of the world. But that´s not the case, its size is highly exagerated. I even started a thread about this issue some time ago: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168521
As I wrote on my list the largest actually confirmed arapaima was not even 3m in length, not to speak about the alleged 4-5m. It is only cause of this single mention from the early 19th century by Schomburgk, why you can so often read this absurd sizes.
 

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Acheloos;2399984;2399984 said:
Okay, all right. Yes, of course you can very often read that the arapaima is the largest freshwater fish of the world. But that´s not the case, its size is highly exagerated. I even started a thread about this issue some time ago: http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=168521
As I wrote on my list the largest actually confirmed arapaima was not even 3m in length, not to speak about the alleged 4-5m. It is only cause of this single mention from the early 19th century by Schomburgk, why you can so often read this absurd sizes.
I 100% hear what your saying and I am highly suspicious of such claims but I am very open to any valid comfirmation or evidence of such large fish existing for having had existed. Some members have posted of seeing and even working with fish as large as 14ft of which they should produce some pics
 

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I have always been under the impression that the largest pure freshwater fish was Arapaima gigas . The Catfish are the heaviest. I never considered the species that travel between salt and fresh to really count among largest freshwater only fish?
 

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If Arapaima gigas would reach 4,5m it would be the largest freshwater fish. But this is not the fact, this species will in excess reach lengths between 2,5m and perhaps 3m. The claims of zoodiver are highly obsure. Why should the arapaimas at his zoo-aquarium should reach more than 5 times the weight of normal arapaimas which are already outsized? A 14 feet arapaima would be the size of a great white shark and be in the range of 1ton.
There are other species which grow longer. For the wels Silurus glanis we have at least one confirmed speciemen of 2,78m, and the giant freshwater stingray and especially the chinese paddlefish can reach total lengths of more than 3m.
 

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Zoodiver can fix all this by posting a few pics or by providing us with a link to the place that houses these fish.
I do not doubt his "belief" in the size of the fish I just want to confirm their "actual" size.
 
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