Piraiba pictures

[exoticfishguy]

Wow, this guy is in total denial...the juvenile pics he posted look identical to juvi size pics of capapretum that people are posting (same as how mine looked when it was small) and look nothing like the juvi piraiba pics posted.

To say that the true piraiba pictures posted are identical to the juvi pics of the "piraiba" the OP is bragging about is laughable...completely different!

The spotting is totally different at all sizes photographed, the whisker length is too short, the growth rate too slow to be a true piraiba.

Besides, that fish is the exact same fish that I have and almost the exact same size...that's pretty clear from the photos!

If the OP is saying mine is not a piraiba like I've known all along, it's plain to see that his is not one either.

 

[cgibby]

thanks for the input wes and I agree with catfishracer both the op and exotic need to send pics to dr lundberg for a 100% accurate id please post back the results if you are able to contact him


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[necrocanis]

Well there is already water churning on this subject and i am sure not going to contact lundberg about it again as it might just annoy him. He's a really busy guy and after the clarification he sent to me before I don't want to bug him with it again. The best way to determine species it by examining the tooth patches. Even lundberg admits that without doing that it is nearly impossible. The external differences are there, but individuals do vary within a species.

 

[necrocanis]

http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/f...entosum-vs-Caprapretum&highlight=filamentosum

this is the official discussion thread on it.

 

[exoticfishguy]

thanks for the input wes and I agree with catfishracer both the op and exotic need to send pics to dr lundberg for a 100% accurate id please post back the results if you are able to contact him


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You go ahead and send this guy the pictures....I'm not interested in wasting my time.

And I'm not about to yank my fish out of it's tank to check out it's mouth either.

It's pretty clear that neither fish are piraiba.

If you look at the "tyjo piraiba" juvi photos and compare them to the fugupuff juvi actual piraiba pictures, it's pretty clear that we're looking at two different fish, spotting is different, mouth shape is different, whisker length is different.

Then you look at the "tyjo piraiba" current photos and compare them to fugupuff's 2nd true piraiba photo (one with the stingray in the background), again it's pretty clear that the spotting, head/mouth shape is totally different.

What fish do look the same are fugupuff's juvi, midsize and adult true piraiba photos...compare the head and mouth in each picture and you find a match.

Then look at all the capapretum photos posted and they are just like my fish and the "tyjo piraiba"

Is there any more left to be said about this?

 

[Catfishracer]

Well there is already water churning on this subject and i am sure not going to contact lundberg about it again as it might just annoy him. He's a really busy guy and after the clarification he sent to me before I don't want to bug him with it again. The best way to determine species it by examining the tooth patches. Even lundberg admits that without doing that it is nearly impossible. The external differences are there, but individuals do vary within a species.

Yea I wouldn't bother him anymore. If I had one I would yank it out and examine the tooth patches. But to be honest, I don't think I would even be able to see the difference he is referring to.


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[fugupuff]

This would be my guess:

the picture from the Original post, is either a caprepretum or hybrid of the 2. When we were in Peru, the locals actually say they see these "salton" get over 5 feet in length, which is caprepretum. Is it possible there is yet one more specie? Remember there are also different rivers that hold this fish as well.

Almost everyone can agree, before the barbels break off, at 2-4" SL size, the true filamentosum would have barbels about 5x the lenght of the body vs. 2-3x on caprepretum.

Also the fish from the original post has a bit of a nose bend from trauma it seems, making the shape of the mouth inaccurate to use for comparison

 

[fugupuff]

and when people say that hybrid in the wild is unlikely, I would disagree. Recently there was a cat the color of flash juruense, pattern of tigrinnis and body shape of a filamentosum/caprepretum.

 

[weirdfishlover]

and when people say that hybrid in the wild is unlikely, I would disagree. Recently there was a cat the color of flash juruense, pattern of tigrinnis and body shape of a filamentosum/caprepretum. View attachment 877109

This guy looks real neat

 

[bulldovii]

How do they manage to not lose their whiskers and tail streamer?

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